Sekai Project Official Grisaia Translation?

[douggle]

Its rather common in Japan for games to get all ages ports, typically though those ports are usually on a console or a Handheld....

[RinXD]

But this is the West were talking about they dont release two call of duty's one age appropriate one not they release one with the option of turning graphic content off

[douggle]

But this is the West were talking about they dont release two call of duty's one age appropriate one not they release one with the option of turning graphic content off

Yes but we are talking about a Japanese title. So this type of thing happens

[kyrt]

shame I couldn't delete this...

 

funny enough I'm now considering backing it.

[Zakamutt]

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koestlTranslator

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@kyrt
To be clear, Frontwing does not want an 18+ release directly associated with the Kickstarter, so at the moment we cannot offer them as tier rewards. The reason for this has less to do with "profit" than their cautious attitude towards releasing adult content in the West.

There is a possibility backers will receive credit towards eventual uncut 18+ releases. We are trying to make this happen.

The Vita edition of the games are M-rated and make relatively minor changes to non-sexual content, while adding new CGs and scenes. We do not plan to remove or "censor" content from the Vita game, and may restore some unnecessary textual changes where possible

 

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Apart from this I saw on #tlwiki that there are entire scenes in angelic howl that were cut in the jp all-ages version and it's very doubtful if SP will be able to restore them for their allages version. So yeah it's pretty shitty.

 

It's actually about censorship in Amane's route #grisaiagate

[nohman]

 

I personally dont think they're should be a all ages version of anything when it comes to Vn's. Like others have stated it seems like a cash grab ploy on front wings part.

 

There are people out there who play them actually, a couple of which I can think of on this very forum. I personally don't have a fundamental issue with all-ages editions myself and don't see any valid reason to, given that we are also provided with the option of an 18+ full release.  In fact, I'd say more options as a consumer is a good thing (admittedly, you can make an argument against this).

 

[sanahtlig]

Such a shame. One of the worst games to cut content from.

One might argue that cutting extreme content from a game noteworthy for its extreme content would be more contentious.

[Zakamutt]

#lolJAST

[kyrt]

To be clear, Frontwing does not want an 18+ release directly associated with the Kickstarter, so at the moment we cannot offer them as tier rewards. The reason for this has less to do with "profit" than their cautious attitude towards releasing adult content in the West.

There is a possibility backers will receive credit towards eventual uncut 18+ releases. We are trying to make this happen.

The Vita edition of the games are M-rated and make relatively minor changes to non-sexual content, while adding new CGs and scenes. We do not plan to remove or "censor" content from the Vita game, and may restore some unnecessary textual changes where possible.

 

Screw it I like the game too much and as long as the vita version remains textually and graphically unchanged then I'll go ahead and back this. Won't back huge amounts like I planned but I'll back enough for each game. I really should be more concerned about visual novels releasing here and changing perspectives than enhancing the idea that visual novel fans only care about pron.

 

It has been confirmed that if the kickstarter succeeds the 18+ version will be coming a month or 2 later via Denpasoft (18+ version of sekai project?). It seems that Frontwing's reason for keeping a disconnect of the 18+ related to the kickstarter has more to do with their beliefs and more cautious attitude towards releasing adult content in the West. If it's mentioned on the kickstarter page the 18+ content will be more in the spotlight and possibly gather the attention of fools like equality now (rapelay incident) or CNN (akumatsu incident) (responsible for trying to villainize all visual novels, manga, and anime as child porn and violence against women). We can thank EN and CNN for a lot of visual novel companies reluctance to even try the Western market and to be honest although I think it's been long enough I do understand their concerns...so it seems less of a cash grab than I thought. 

 

The possibility of backers receiving cred towards the eventual uncut 18+ release is something sekai project is adamantly trying to make happen. I like what sekai project is trying to do. I will hope for the best and I'll go ahead and support this endeavor as long as no removal or censorship of the vita game is imminent. With this I am done on this issue and will take a risk with this. If it ends up working out then it will be great. Do understand that for all 3 games it is now less than 200 dollars (120) whereas before each game would have cost between 60-80. In this way they are giving some leeway to pick up the 18+ version after the fact for only about 40-60 dollars more (for all 3 together) than it would have been originally. If we get discounts we might even be fine. You also then would have two versions of the game one you could give away or read in public. 

 

“If you dare nothing,
then when the day is over,
nothing is all you will have gained.” -Neil Gaiman

 

I'm gonna go ahead and dare. Dare that visual novels will find a means of being successful in the West. This is a new idea and a new method of trying things if it succeeds it could open up a ton of other possibilities...hell we already saw the results of one kickstarter via Clannad. This is the first potential All-Ages title with an attachment to 18+ content...sure it might not arrive right away but hell 2 of the games still remain untranslated and I for one want to see the story. 

 

I'm probably an idiot but I hope people will think on it and once the kickstarter pops up think about whether or not they want to see a spread of vns or keep it a few vns translated by dedicated fan translators and a few companies?  This has the possibility to open up a lot of doors...

[RinXD]

 

 

 

There are people out there who play them actually, a couple of which I can think of on this very forum. I personally don't have a fundamental issue with all-ages editions myself and don't see any valid reason to, given that we are also provided with the option of an 18+ full release.  In fact, I'd say more options as a consumer is a good thing (admittedly, you can make an argument against this).

 

 

 

Um an all age version is never the full version of the game in certain Vn's the H-Scenes are pretty important parts of the VN so cutting them is also cutting a chunk of the story away. Also playing all age versions cause "You cant handle H-scenes" is just a indicator that you need to grow up and realize that sexual content is not this wrong forbidden thing you should never do or watch but more so that it's an adult act how ever if people have such issue with this there are quite a few 18+ games with the option to turn off the h-content all together the need for releasing two versions is pointless if you can just have the option to turn it off.

[Zakamutt]

New koestl, for anyone that cares:

koestlTranslator

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For those interested in the eventual 18+ version:

It seems there's a good chance we will be able to offer uncensored / mosaic-free CGs in this release.

[RinXD]

um so basicly they're leaving teh sex scenes but removing the gore

[nohman]

 

 

Um an all age version is never the full version of the game in certain Vn's the H-Scenes are pretty important parts of the VN so cutting them is also cutting a chunk of the story away. 

 

I never called an all-ages edition a full release. I said I don't really see a problem with them as long as they're released beside a complete edition of a game. I get why most people (myself included) prefer to play the 18+ version, but I also don't care if other people have their reasons for wanting not to. Doesn't affect me in the least if there are two versions of the game, provided one of them is an uncensored release.

 

 

Also playing all age versions cause "You cant handle H-scenes" is just a indicator that you need to grow up and realize that sexual content is not this wrong forbidden thing you should never do or watch but more so that it's an adult act how ever if people have such issue with this there are quite a few 18+ games with the option to turn off the h-content all together the need for releasing two versions is pointless if you can just have the option to turn it off.

 

Wanting to play some porn games is what originally brought me to visual novels, however I get that other people have a distaste for them for a variety of reasons. That's beside the point I was trying to make though, that the option of an all-ages version of a game doesn't really hurt a thing from a consumer's standpoint. 

 

 

 

New koestl, for anyone that cares:

koestlTranslator

4m

For those interested in the eventual 18+ version:

It seems there's a good chance we will be able to offer uncensored / mosaic-free CGs in this release.

 

 

I don't really like all these "seems" and 'probabilities," but that sounds like good news. It'll be good to hear something more concrete, though.

[Zakamutt]

um so basicly they're leaving teh sex scenes but removing the gore

no... they're not removing the gore in the 18+ version if/when it happens. Gore removal would be in the initial all-ages release only. Where do you even get these ideas of the 18+ release being censored? Jesus.

[RinXD]

that was a mis read on my part

[Flutterz]

New koestl, for anyone that cares:

koestlTranslator

4m

For those interested in the eventual 18+ version:

It seems there's a good chance we will be able to offer uncensored / mosaic-free CGs in this release.

[Deep Blue]

meh why do we have to back a censored version just to be able to eventually, and this is not even a sure thing, later have the uncut version of the novel that is not going to be mentioned at all in the main campaign?(that probably if eventually is released you will have to buy yet again...)

 

I don't support this, so many ifs, so many excuses. "The reason for this has less to do with "profit" than their cautious attitude towards releasing adult content in the West." that's sounds like bs all over, I'm not saying this for koest, just a complain to Front Wing and their shitty attitude towards their public and fans which is us...they are selling what they are selling, don't try to deny or make it something that it's not, Grisaia is a vn oriented to an adult public if you dont like it just start a new IP dont screw everyone censoring the product you are trying to sell us, and not even that because kickstarter is not even selling the games we are crowdfunding it for the future....

This is the worst attitude that Front Wing can have towards their audience.

[RinXD]

The problem with this is they think the WEST has the same censorship as they do when it comes to porn and we dont since none of the Western based "porn" Ive seen has ever been censored

[Deep Blue]

Well but we are not talking only about porn here the vita version is censored in the plot itself :/

[RinXD]

Ok point being the West produces gorey movies and uncensored porn so why they are so worried about making a censored release is beyond me the West is not japan where such arbirtrary censorship laws exist

[Deep Blue]

And they are trying to release a product here, not even that they are trying to crowdfunding it!!! We are not Japan, that mentality they are taking is just plain stupid.

[RinXD]

I whole heartedly agree but they have done this with just about every game they have ported over here hell even games like phantasy star were changed cause they japanese seem to think it would not suit our western sensibilities

[Lambda]

Um an all age version is never the full version of the game in certain Vn's the H-Scenes are pretty important parts of the VN so cutting them is also cutting a chunk of the story away. Also playing all age versions cause "You cant handle H-scenes" is just a indicator that you need to grow up and realize that sexual content is not this wrong forbidden thing you should never do or watch but more so that it's an adult act how ever if people have such issue with this there are quite a few 18+ games with the option to turn off the h-content all together the need for releasing two versions is pointless if you can just have the option to turn it off.

Admittedly, this is an attitude I despise in vn players, so forgive me for the attitude, but hey! This straight woman doesn't want to constantly read sex scenes aimed at guys, and otoges aren't translated very often or have the same level of story! People playing in public want options, too! Could you not tell a 20-year-old woman to "grow up" because she dislikes sex scenes in vns? There are reasons for it. Not only that - this may sound like a concept, but bear with me - if the original author writes the additional scenes, there's no censorship and it follows their intent. The important question here is whether the original authors wrote the vita content, but someone working for Frontwing certainly did or approved it, and I'm frankly getting sick of the VN scene's utter dependence on sex scenes when a hell of a lot of the time they're simple opportunities to fap that believe it or not can be replaced.

[RinXD]

Admittedly, this is an attitude I despise in vn players, so forgive me for the attitude, but hey! Straight woman doesn't want to constantly read sex scenes aimed at guys, and otoges aren't translated very often or have the same level of story! People playing in public want options, too! Could you not tell a 20-year-old woman to "grow up" because she dislikes sex scenes in vns? There are reasons for it. Not only that - this may sound like a concept, but bear with me - if the original author writes the additional scenes, there's no censorship and it follows their intent. The important question here is whether the original authors wrote the vita content, but someone working for Frontwing certainly did or approved it, and I'm frankly getting sick of the VN scene's utter dependence on sex scenes when a hell of a lot of the time they're simple opportunities to fap that believe it or not can be replaced.

Eroge is adult content to begin with calling it anything else is pointless and sex scenes Lets talk about all the smut romance novels that wome indulge themselves in that are much more vivid and explicit then the content in a eroge. If you cant handle the content as originally written then dont read it not everyone looks at H-Scenes as reasons to fap. Eroge is orginally intended for an adult audience hence why it normally comes with them scenes.

[Lambda]

Eroge is adult content to begin with calling it anything else is pointless and sex scenes Lets talk about all the smut romance novels that women indulge themselves in that are much more vivid and explicit then the content in a eroge. If you cant handle the content as originally written then dont read it not everyone looks at H-Scenes as reasons to fap. Eroge is orginally intended for an adult audience hence why it normally comes with them scenes.

Cool! Yeah, let's talk about the smut romance novels! The novels I don't read! Because! I! Don't! Like! Erotic! Content! Yeahhh! Let's talk about "smut romance novels" with story not on the level of a nukige! That sounds like an interesting topic! What one would you say has humour on par with Grisaia? Or characters? I'm curious. Go for it. One that gets guys to read it as well as girls. Wow, they must feel marginalized with all the erotic content clearly not aimed at them surrounded by that great story they want to enjoy.

They write them originally with erotic content and then, hey! They remove it! Because they want other people to play! The original developers decide, "hey, we understand that requiring erotic content in our game is kinda restrictive, so let's take it out!" And there's nothing wrong with it.