Darklord Rooke

You are not ‘pursuing’ objectivity by throwing a bone to the ‘one of hundreds’ different alternative viewpoints out there. That’s called ‘including a gimmick because the real thing is too hard or impossible, and so I want to be viewed as doing something even though I’m not doing it, because impressions are so very important.’ Which is where we differ. You seem to think throwing a meaningless one liner in the review marks a ‘decent effort to look in from the outside’, whereas I regard it as a cop out. So I disagree with Total Biscuit and very much believe he has no clue what he’s talking about. I don’t give a toss who he is.

Jetlag's a bitch. Here listen to this, if you put it on repeat it should help you stay awake. Ignore the title, it's ... er, satirical.

Heh, whenever I see someone scoring something with those type of decimals, I can't help but recall Penny Arcade xD In a perfect world all reviewers buy their own copy of the game, but that's definitely unrealistic. As in, costs way too much money along with other problems. For some reason, I get a creepy, insincere feeling when developers hand out free keys to be reviewed. Maybe I'm just far too cynical.

But you did. I recall, vividly I might add, you creating this thread. Therefore, Flutterz must be held responsible for all these negative 'feels' being flung about.

There was hardly any character development, imo. Also the RPG system was pointless and ended up being a gimmick purely to set up 'defeat rape'. But that's an opinion coming from a hardcore RPG fan. I went to VNDB and saw MGQ as the top ranking "RPG". Man was I thoroughly disappointed ...

I disagree with your review. The story is trash. And guess what the problem is? The qualities I hold for storytelling are different to the qualities you hold for storytelling - that is, you're saying the story is good when compared with standards you think are good, and I'm saying it's trash because I'm comparing it to standards I think are good. And I'm not just saying it to make a point, I've often said the story is trash on Fuwa and others have disagreed with me. There are NO set of objective standards for 'good writing', people who think there are don't know what they're talking about. Which comes back to the point that an objective review is impossible, unless you represent every single alternate variation for what people could conceivably think is 'good'. And that's absurd.

Pics or it never happened

Nah sorry, I missed that. I don't usually read reviews. What happened? EDIT: Actually PM me what happened, otherwise the thread will get too off-topic

And if you're going to analyse every thing in a game based on the different possible standards or tastes people could have, you'll end up with a 10 page fricken review with 25 different scores (each for a different section of the fanbase.) I have never come across an objective review in any medium, they all apply their own standards of what's 'good' and will measure the film/book/game accordingly. Objective review attempt #1: The scoring! This is what it'll look like, folks, in all its glory. Hard core RPG fans will consider MGQ game a 1/10, but people interested in defeat rape might consider it a 7/10 game, people interested in both RPGs and defeat rape, well, you might consider it a 5/10 game, whereas people who just want a good story will consider it a 2/10 game until you get to number 3, in which case you might consider it a 6/10 game, but people who want both RPG goodness AND a good story will consider it a 3/10 game until you get to number 3 where you’re opinion will change and you’ll consider it a 5/10 game, but people who like RPGs and defeat rape and a good story will probably consider it a 4/10 game. People easily grossed out will not have a happy time here. -2/10 for you folk. You got that right, it's a negative, not a dash. People with morals and are easily offended … stay away. -2/10 for you folk. And monsters masquerading as humans in the audience? Man, you’ll fucking love this game, 10/10 for you guys. Keep defeating those humans over and over and over again.

Well, if you're talking about Bats' Little Busters review, I agreed with it actually. It incorporates some bad writing which can have a negative effect on some people. People who can stomach certain things will score it higher, people who can't will score it lower. You can't objectively score these things and give a different grade for different groups of people, that will just lead to absurd practices.

The other side of the coin is that people are still salty most OELVNs reviewed are scored higher than a certain Key game Bats played ... heh. Quality review Valmore (even though I skipped most of it and just read the pros and cons section ... kidding, kidding)

No actually, they shouldn't. Ever. A review is a summary of a person's experiences of that game filtered through their own preconceptions, preferences, and biases. Get used to that fact, because that's how they've always been, that's how they are presently, and that's how they always will be. And that's why I watched 2 film critics give the exact same film 1/5 and 4/5 respectively the other day.

That's the important aspect, imo, many people can't be bothered reading a review and will just head straight for this section. And if you're going for a TL;DR section, with a quick conclusion, it will always provide controversy. This is because it will be too short to provide enough meaningful information as to why it got the 'score' or 'recommendation/no recommendation' that it did. It's all much and much the same, really. Does it really matter which system you implement? They will all provide controversy. In fact, most gaming review systems provide controversy, because most gamers (or developers) don't want to believe the game they enjoy (or made) is anything less than fricken perfect.

I should point out ... it's impossible for you to see the worst aspects of the Codex unless you've been a member for a year. Until then, you're really only seeing the 'safe' bits.

Check it out here: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/current-state-of-russian-rpgs-with-screenshots.54777/ Basically if they were good, they'd get a translation

1) … Touche, mon ami. 2) It'll all go digital one day. Most circles lose money on printing and physical presences also cost money, a digital solution would be better. But yeah, supply and demand, creators are pretty much self-employed people, so they take the same sorts of risks as businesses do. So businesses offer a service, but if there's no demand then they go broke. Same with creators, unfortunately (unless you're a part of a massive team, like a AAA game developer or something) if there’s no demand then you’re gonna be working for pennies. Sad but true. It used to be much worse, it’s only in modern times that creative people can actually make a lot of money. It's not like a job where you get paid for your work hours (unless you actually get a job where you get paid for your hours.) 3) Well, you can be interested in the welfare of the creator so they can keep producing content you’re interested in. But when they move away to produce content you’re not interested in, you can lose interest. Most people arguing this line just want more content and only care for the welfare of the artists as long as they keep producing content they like. Mainly because the internet is the internet. There’s alternatives out there, but they won’t be producing the content these fans enjoy so people tend to hype the situation up a little. It’s annoying, imo. Eh. We’ll have to disagree on how important it is. The crux of my argument is my belief that the market will shift fluidly to an alternative, but I could be wrong there. Anyway I’m off to slave away for a non-appreciative boss (not Tay, though ahahaha) Excuse me

Unfortunately, Russian literature doesn't tend toward happy, happy stuff. Usually it is about the ugliness of life.

1) Well, countries' official industries are much more economically impressive, and you think these are worth less, so ... 2) They don’t make money out of their work anyway. Not the doujin manga industry. Most circles barely cover the cost of printing the actual publications, which is actually pretty expensive. Also, if beginner artists and writers are just treating the doujin industry as a stepping stone, then making money shouldn’t be important. That’s not the big picture, end goal. 3) There is nothing ‘wrong’ with using existing culture to promote your work. The greatest example is the 50 Shades of Grey writer who’s work used to be a Twilight fanfic. However it’s not necessary. Take away the doujin industry and artists/writers will still get exposure, mindshare, and everything else they need. I’m currently buying self-published authors, a lot of whom give their first book away for free, and there’s some pretty successful people there. But you seem to have misinterpreted my point. I never said there's anything wrong with it, I never said the doujin industry shouldn't exist, my main point is to tell people to stop using the welfare of beginner artists and writers as a compelling reason why the industry shouldn’t be shut down. You’re all not interested in this stuff, you’re only interested in the content, the fandom, and other stuff and so it’s disingenuous. And writers/artists will still be there, still making a living if the doujin industry goes haywire. The passage below is what I took issue with: Yeah, no. If you want to argue the merits of the doujin industry, don't throw out crap like this. Actually argue the merits of the doujin industry. Too many people and articles just say 'it's where beginner writers/artists take their first step, you can't take it away' as though they care about the welfare of such people. But it wouldn't matter, take it away and beginner artists/authors will get their exposure elsewhere.

Dostoevsky is definitely a must. 'Dead Souls' by Gogol is interesting reading. 'Fathers and Sons' by Turgenev is likewise. 'Mother' by Gorky and etc. I've always found Russian literature to be compelling in ways other countries' literature just isn't. Russia's home to some of the greatest novelists in history.

Seconded. Also globally, almost as many people speak Russian as Spanish.

Oh, fanfiction is illegal, and so is fanart. Forgot about that. Okay, parody works may die through the enforcement of some version of copyright, and through third party dobbing, but the idea it would be able to be enforced is fanciful. Not only is it a massive manpower issue but it would cause chaos with people who want to participate. Anyway, that wasn’t my point. I’m not gonna argue that, that’s a really complicated issue and I haven’t researched it enough. I don’t think it would be possible. Anyway, all I was arguing is that beginner artists and writers won’t be left out to dry with enforcement of this whatever. And that while a lot of people are up in arms about the possibilities TPP may have brought, leave the ‘development and exposure’ of artists/writers out of it. I’m sick of people using that excuse as some sort of righteous shield in their crusade: “We’re looking after the poor writers, that’s why we’re protesting.” Bullshit! I doubt any of you are actually thinking about the writers at all.

Oh I'm sure it's a 'thing', but whether it's an 'impressive' thing is very much up to the individual. Hence - subjective. Parodies and derivative works won't disappear just because someone is no longer allowed to sell fan works. They'll still be around. Fanfiction.net is one big, fat pile of 'derivative works'. Now you're right off into the land of hypotheticals. Parody works wouldn't die through enforcement of some version of copyright. My personal tastes and distastes were never a part of the argument. I didn't say such a thing. Oh? In what way?

I didn't say it was, what I said was 'stop using it as an excuse for why that industry must remain'. And the second statement is subjective, I have little fondness for doujin or internet culture. They tend to push boundaries, but tend to be technically limited. Fan works tend to be based around ideas, if you have a cool idea people will laud it, but the execution is usually left wanting. I don't wish them destroyed, but I don't believe they're all that impressive, tbh. (That's just a general thing, obviously there are exceptions.) Your last statement, I don't see how limiting of the selling of fan works will be a detriment to participatory art or works. It'll still be around, it'll still flourish, whether the majority of artists move to a different area, or whether another type of artist will shine for a while well ... that's just how the world works *shrugs* And? Stagnation is death, I don't see why 'things will change' is such a compelling reason for not touching stuff. I'm saying this as a writer, they'll still be around. It's the consumers which will feel the brunt more than anyone else, not the artists.

I can understand consumers of such content being up in arms over the threat to the doujin industry, but I believe suggesting it will threaten up and coming artists/writers is a bit of a stretch. There are many different avenues for up and comers to practice and spread their name, and they could still engage in fan work as long as it's not-for-profit. Take away the doujin industry and the ability for writers/artists to practice, spread their work, and make a name will still exist. Case in point, the West doesn't have a doujin industry and alternatives still exist for amateur writers and artists. And it isn't rare for writers to begin their career in fanfiction. So while fans will obviously be relieved that this industry is protected, they're over-reaching when they suggest they're protecting beginner artists. I believe G R R Martin iterated a fair point of view when he said: In other words, there's other ways to kickstart your career.