What are you playing?

[littleshogun]

Finished with Sanoba's Tsumugi's route (I'll comment about her route in my thread later), and as for the next route I'll go with Touko. As for Tsumugi, let's just say that she was quite motherly despite being dressed like a boy because of the contract.

As for Inochi no Spare and Blueprint comparison, that's quite an interesting one although there's still some difference between those two though. I'll see what I can write about Inochi no Spare later if I got my chance on that later, but apparently it's very depressing utsuge from what I understand.

[adamstan]

5 hours ago, littleshogun said:

Finished with Sanoba's Tsumugi's route

I started with her, then went with Meguru and Touko, Nene and Wakana still left. Tsumugi's route was good, but then each next route I read was even better - I was really surprised first by great Meguru's route, and then even greater Touko's.

I'll comment more once I finish them all, but I retract my earlier comment about Sanoba being "bland".

Edited November 19, 2018 by adamstan

[LemiusK]

Currently reading Sachi's After Story in Grisaia no Meikyuu, and I must say... I still can't get over the cliched part of her backstory, specifically

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the long lost childhood friend

cliche. Compared to the others, Sachi's the only one who's a cliched archetype. Even Chiru-Chiru has a subversive take on your ordinary tsundere, and her backstory obviously more nuanced as well. That's not to say such a flaw makes me uninterested in her character; instead, it's her After Story (and the cliched backstory that comes with it) that I'm more indifferent towards.

Speaking of Michiru, her After Story's undeniably the weakest so far. Two out of four After Stories so far have some form of marriage storyline involved, and one of the two that doesn't (Makina) is mixed with some serious storyline regarding her mother. Michiru, on the other hand, only makes a fool of herself throughout half of the After Story, which just feels like such a squandered opportunity for some actual character development, mellowing her out. Sigh. Needless to say, I didn't enjoy Michiru's After Story as much as I wanted to (it's the first After Story I chose).

On the other hand, one of the side stories involved Michiru's classmate that she had known who 

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committed suicide.

That side story was just a carefree conversation, but it ended with such a painful ending that it felt jarring. Specifically, the final line that was said was, "We'll be best friends forever, right?" Dammit...  I would have been more interested to know more about Michiru's past relationship with that girl than read the sheer goofiness in her After Story.

Edit: On second thought, I guess that "cliche" doesn't really play a pivotal role in her backstory nor her After Story, so I guess it's okay. Still, it does bug me a little that it makes her meeting with Yuuji a tad coincidental. Amane's meeting can be explained by JB or Chizuru perhaps arranging for Yuuji to enroll in the same school as her or something along that line, but a second chance meeting like Sachi does bug me a little. Just a little. 

Edited November 19, 2018 by LemiusK
Retracted my complaint about Sachi's cliche

[Stormwolf]

6 hours ago, adamstan said:

I started with her, then went with Meguru and Touko, Nene and Wakana still left. Tsumugi's route was good, but then each next route I read was even better - I was really surprised first by great Meguru's route, and then even greater Touko's.

I'll comment more once I finish them all, but I retract my earlier comment about Sanoba being "bland".

It is somewhat bland overall, but the heroines are good.

[adamstan]

Yes, common route is nothing special, some funny bits aside, but heroine's routes fortunately make up for it, at least for me.

Edited November 19, 2018 by adamstan

[alpacaman]

On 17.11.2018 at 12:30 PM, alpacaman said:

I'm only a few hours of reading time away from finishing Umineko and I'm dissapointed they haven't added any new characters to the cast so far. I counted up to somewhere beyond fifty who have a sprite in episode 5 or 6 but stopped when it got too confusing because I didn't know if I should count certain characters several times or not. 

Other than that Umineko is obviously superb. I might even say it's one of the best things ever (*magical screeching sound*).

Finally finished it. Episode 8 actually was my least favourite one because 

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the final battle dragged on for too long and I didn't really enjoy the fight scenes in Umineko that much anyway (except for Krauss vs. Goat-Kun which was just amazing). It still wrapped everything up very well and gave us Erika wearing a pirate hat. Also now I want to read Hari Pota aka Harry the Potato. The Harry Potter books would probably be way more depressing if they had the same concept of magic as Umineko. Or rather it would just be Umineko with a different cast in that it would be about a boy imagining magic to cope with the loss of his parents and being abused by his step parents.

It will probably take some time before all my thoughts on Umineko have settled enough for me to write something coherent on the actual plot and themes of the story so i'll just continue rambling about other random stuff:

I would love to see Erika as Super High School Level Detective in a Danganronpa game. Each one of those has one student in an antagonistic role and she would be absolutely perfect for it.

Is "Ange" a real name or nickname in any European language or is it just the way you would shorten Angelica/Angelika/Angelique in Japanese? On a similar note I think Krauss' name should probably be translated as Klaus since Krauss is a surname. And I can recommend visiting Bernkastel(-Kues) to anyone who wants to go on vacation in Germany. It's a beautiful old town in a winegrowing area close to the border to Luxembourg (which is also worth a visit if you can stomach paying 10€ and above for an iced coffee in the centre of its capital).

 

So next up is... I still don't really know. Probably Symphonic Rain.

[LemiusK]

It's almost cynically amusing that some h-titles have better designs than highly acclaimed ones, like an indicator that displays when a voice has stopped playing (so you don't accidentally skip it). Even something softer like School Days, for example, is only among my favorites more so because of its gameplay design than its story content.

Then again, I guess that, being h-titles, they have a lot more extra budget to afford such things.

[Inorin]

1 hour ago, alpacaman said:

Finally finished it. Episode 8 actually was my least favourite one because 

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the final battle dragged on for too long and I didn't really enjoy the fight scenes in Umineko that much anyway (except for Krauss vs. Goat-Kun which was just amazing). It still wrapped everything up very well and gave us Erika wearing a pirate hat. Also now I want to read Hari Pota aka Harry the Potato. The Harry Potter books would probably be way more depressing if they had the same concept of magic as Umineko. Or rather it would just be Umineko with a different cast in that it would be about a boy imagining magic to cope with the loss of his parents and being abused by his step parents.

It will probably take some time before all my thoughts on Umineko have settled enough for me to write something coherent on the actual plot and themes of the story so i'll just continue rambling about other random stuff:

So what are your thoughts? Do you have any theories as to who Beatrice is?

1 hour ago, alpacaman said:

I would love to see Erika as Super High School Level Detective in a Danganronpa game. Each one of those has one student in an antagonistic role and she would be absolutely perfect for it.

She would definitely be a much more competent detective than Shuichi LOL 

Edited November 19, 2018 by wei123

[alpacaman]

12 minutes ago, wei123 said:

So what are your thoughts? Do you have any theories as to who Beatrice is?

I thought this is answered rather unambiguously in episode 7:

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There are three Beatrices (excluding the two "piece"-Beatrices from ep 6): Kinzo's affair from WWII is the first one, then there is their daughter, who also had a child with Kinzo. This child, Yasu, developed the split personalities of Shannon, Kanon and "Witch" Beatrice.

I thought that there weren't that many open questions left, except for the very obvious one of what actually happened. But the whole point of the last episodes was that the actual events aren't important so I'm fine with not knowing. I didn't really get why Battler returning to Rokkenjima in 1986, and not any other year, lead to everone dying, but maybe I just missed the answer or forgot some details from earlier episodes that would have allowed me to interpret the given hints correctly.

 

[LemiusK]

Phew. Finally reached the epilogue of Cartagra. This feels like Muv-Luv Alternative again, where I write about my feelings after the penultimate chapter of the story, rather than after the final chapter. lol Sigh. Guess I'll keep it short and write another update when I finally finished this.

Anyway, I can see why people recommended me this in my 428 thread. There's a little bit of resemblance between Kano and Shugo in terms of their working relationship with their boss, though I'd still say Kano's arc was far more satisfying because there was a lot of clever subversions added to his character arc (and his boss was one of the key elements in subverting the cliche, not to mention living up to the heroic figure Kano had admired him to be in the first place), whereas

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Arishima just turned out to be a greedy money-grubber who tries to cover up his crimes. Hardly an epic antagonist. More like a cowardly criminal.

But can't say I'm not satisfied with the ending (especially when I haven't actually reached the exact ending). It's been a lengthy journey so far, and it's kinda exhausting, but in a good way. Like when you've had a good cry kind of exhausting. I could only imagine how much more mentally-exhausting Kara no Shoujo would turn out to be.

Kinda a shame with what happened to 

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Toji.

Makes me like the Normal Route a little more because of her fate in there. My guess is that this will be a running trend in Kara no Shoujo, where the "True Route" would be much more depressing than a "Fake Happy End" or one of the heroines' endings. Ah well. Such is the fate of dark and depressing VNs.

Though if I actually think about it, the only dark VNs I could really think of that's as depressing is this and Saya no Uta. Even with Fate/Stay Night, you get a happy end for Saber in the newly revised Fate route. Even something like G-senjou no Maou had a cheerful end. Most VNs I know of just don't contain this amount of grimness, for better or worse. Most Japanese people seem to prefer happy and cute stuff. And children. They really like children. 

Anyway, I don't want to talk too much about Cartagra yet 'till I actually finished it. 'Till next time~ 

Edited November 19, 2018 by LemiusK

[Dreamysyu]

5 hours ago, alpacaman said:

And I can recommend visiting Bernkastel(-Kues) to anyone who wants to go on vacation in Germany. It's a beautiful old town in a winegrowing area close to the border to Luxembourg (which is also worth a visit if you can stomach paying 10€ and above for an iced coffee in the centre of its capital).

According to Higurashi, Berkastel was a favorite wine brand of Rika's father. Does it exist in reality, I wonder?

 

[alpacaman]

Bernkastel Wine does exist, but it just means wine from Bernkastel, not a specific brand (since there are several wine growers in Bernkastel). Wine from the Moselle region is kind of famous even in other parts of the world as far as I know, probably because it's as sour as it gets since it's one of the wine regions with the coolest climate worldwide. 

[LemiusK]

Well, finally done. 7/10. That's all.

...or at least that's what I would like to say, since it's like 5 in the morning here. lol

Anyway, Cartagra. Quite a solid murder-mystery, buuuuut it's nothing to write home about. The ending's kinda too clean. I know what I said earlier about the VN being depressing, but that wasn't a criticism. As it is now, the so-called "True End" feels kinda generic, like I've already seen countless times in other VNs. I mean, sure,

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Yura's in a coma, but considering that she totally went yandere insane, I'd say she got off easy, considering the numerous suffering she's caused. That girl's a lost cause, so I had thought that Shugo would have to put her down, but he didn't, and it all felt kinda anticlimactic, like it's a square peg happy end forced into a round hole of a dark VN. The ending felt contrived, like it just had to end with this superficial naive hope that someday, Yura would open her eyes again... and hopelessly goes on another murder spree. Oh shucks, that Yura. What are we going to do with you?

I don't know. Maybe it's because it's leading up to this hyped up Kara no Shoujo that I'm giving it such a hard time and having such high expectations. lol It's an okay story.

Yaginuma had a kinda cool moment there near the end... even if he's seven hells of creepy throughout the entire story. Nana was kinda cool playing detective, but then you think about her Bad End and what she did to Shugo and then she doesn't appear that cool after all... Yeah, someone arrest that maniac before she Bad Ends someone else.

Finally, the mystery element's not bad. Very solid and just challenging enough to keep me in the dark, even if I did kinda figured out what the real motive was from the spoilerific description under Cartagra's title itself (during the OP theme), explaining what "Cartagra" means. Figured it had something to do with obsession or jealousy, which seems to be a recurring theme in the story too.

Speaking of which, Takako stands out as a character, and not in a good way. She feels like someone just shoe-horned her in at the last minute, just suddenly popping out of nowhere as Nana's friend. We didn't even see her spending that much time with Nana outside of ONE scene and then BAM, it's her route all of the sudden. Very jarring character, which contributes to my 7/10 rating. Also, her "route" was painfully short anyway, so I don't even know what was even the point of her existence other than act as a

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redshirt.

Same issue with Koyuki & Seri. But I guess not every side character needs to be fleshed out and developed. Just bugs me a little that they actually have an ending of their own, even if it's just a Bad End. Feels kinda cheap to just drop in some random undeveloped characters for an ending.

All that considered... Mhm, gotta drop the rating a little.

Final Rating for Cartagra: 6/10

Edit: Oh yeah, next up... finally, Kara no Shoujo. Time to get to the good stuff. 

Edited November 19, 2018 by LemiusK

[Rain Spectre]

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Yura's fate is actually resolved in a fandisc. She woke up, was given a weapon by Nana, went on a killing spree and was then shot dead by Toji.

Yaginuma has a larger role in KnS. He also gets a backstory, and it makes him a MUCH more interesting character. 

Agreed on the pointlessness of the other endings. I feel the story would've been much stronger had they been excised, since they add nothing to the mystery and seem like just an excuse to insert H-Scenes. 

Edited November 19, 2018 by Rain Spectre

[Dreamysyu]

14 hours ago, alpacaman said:

I thought this is answered rather unambiguously in episode 7:

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There are three Beatrices (excluding the two "piece"-Beatrices from ep 6): Kinzo's affair from WWII is the first one, then there is their daughter, who also had a child with Kinzo. This child, Yasu, developed the split personalities of Shannon, Kanon and "Witch" Beatrice.

I thought that there weren't that many open questions left, except for the very obvious one of what actually happened. But the whole point of the last episodes was that the actual events aren't important so I'm fine with not knowing. I didn't really get why Battler returning to Rokkenjima in 1986, and not any other year, lead to everone dying, but maybe I just missed the answer or forgot some details from earlier episodes that would have allowed me to interpret the given hints correctly.

 

About Battler:

I didn't read the manga which might explain it better, but, from what I understand, it's about Sayo's relationship with George. At that point in time she already fell in love with him, but didn't yet have a chance to explain her circumstances to him and was still in love with Battler. If Battler came a year later, Sayo would already be married to George and would come in terms with her feelings.

 

[alpacaman]

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I guessed it would be something along those lines but for me that still is a pretty weak motive for trying to kill 15 people. The only way this makes sense is if the Beatrice personality thought this was the only way to convey her feelings to Battler, but choosing mass murder over an admittedly very awkward confession seems quite extreme.

What I found problematic is that the VN seems to be rather ok with incest. Yasu is related to all the cousins, which neither the narration nor Genji or Kumasawa seem to worry about, and Kinzo having a child with his own daughter is portrayed in a way that seems to say 'Yeah it's wrong, but he was a grieving delusional man so stuff like this might happen'. Not to mention this constitutes rape considering it's made clear that she didn't see him in a romantic way. To me this seems like a thing where even in 1960s Japan everyone who knew about it would have at least cut off contact with Kinzo. It didn't ruin the experience for me but I found it weird that the VN just shrugged it off.

I developed a habit of watching the anime adaptation after finishing a VN if there is one, since it usually helps me with digesting everything that happened. So far I don't think the Umineko anime is that terrible but it's pretty obvious that not having time to explain everything is going to become a problem later on since I finished about one third of the anime and it hasn't even reached the third game. What I noticed though is that it's really easy to figure out

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the "how dunnit" if you know "who dunnit" even for the murders that seem impossible when you witness them for the first time in the VN. The way Umineko uses unreliable narration is just incredible. It's pretty obvious that all the supernatural stuff isn't really happening but it makes you think that you can at least to some degree trust scenes where there is no magic involved. It turns out you couldn't be more wrong. You really can only trust things Battler sees with his own eyes.

 

[LemiusK]

The final Bad End of Ever17, achieved. Finally... peace and tranquility. I know @Dreamysyu advised me to just disregard Sara's Bad End for now buuuut, my OCD just couldn't allow me to take the easy way out. lol It just feels like it won't be as satisfying if I experienced the Bad End later after I've already seen the Happy Ends of everyone. The catharsis effect won't be as effective.

But anyway, haaaaah, that was exhausting. Now it's all uphill from here. Medetashi, medetashi. I'll now circle back to the first route I read, Tsugumi/Sora, but I'll probably go for Tsugumi's Good End first. Sora is still my least favorite character among the characters, especially now that Sara has won me over in her route. But man, kinda a turn-off, isn't it? Who Sara really is... 

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*cue Joe Dirt "You perved on your sister!" scene* Ah, kinda glad Kid didn't do any thing more than kissing.

So anyway, in terms of most favorite to least favorite so far: Coco > You > Sara > Takeshi > Kid > Tsugumi > Sora

Yeah, the antisocial Tsugumi's still pretty low on my list. I kinda remember why she's like that from the last time I played through her route, like I understood her circumstances, but that doesn't mean I could condone her attitude. And besides, Japanese stories have enough of edgy loners glorified as some cool badass hero. They're just as bad as the hot-headed shounen cliche. Being antisocial does not make you cool or badass.

But Sora's boring, which is why I put her beneath Tsugumi. At least Tsugumi has an interesting backstory.  Also... so much infodump. You accomplished the same task far more efficiently that it was laughable how simple the explanation was.

Between Takeshi and Kid, I do kinda have a soft spot for that "hot-headed shounen" cliche because they tend to have a heart of gold, passionately standing up for justice and friendship in spite of being overtly naive. As a person, they're just far more likable than the lone wolf cliche, so I gave him a pass. Besides, Takeshi has his cool heroic moments. Like actual "cool," not pretentious Tsugumi cool.

Coco is self-explanatory. Best gurl all around.

You is a tomboy (You are a tomboy?). I love tomboys.

Sara's route got me tearing up a bit. I love her song... So lonely.

Edited November 20, 2018 by LemiusK

[LemiusK]

Grisaia no Meikyuu
Finished Sachi's route, and damn, her route has got Amane's route beaten. So much content is packed into it, you'd think it's a main route, not to mention the tension and suspense that the other routes lacked. Didn't expect that antagonist to be a real threat, even though the Chekhov's Gun was pretty obvious from the start.

Still, having completed Sachi's After Story only makes me feel even more bummed out about Michiru's AS. Compared to the three other AS I've played so far, Michiru's AS just has the least amount of story and character development. This is like Fate/Stay Night all over again, where my favorite heroine (Saber) has the weakest route of them all. Sigh. The only saving grace Michiru's AS has going for it is that unique Ending Theme, but that doesn't amount to much when the route itself isn't any thing special. Every other heroine so far aside from Michiru has some of significant character development or change to status quo, while Michiru's route was kinda casual and stagnant. But I digress.

Anyway, I could easily see Sachi's After Story making it into an anime adaptation, which is a shame that it didn't. That "conflict" that appeared in her route could have made for some decent drama. But it's probably best that it wasn't adapted, considering what a mediocre job they did with Kajitsu.

Ever17
Finished Tsugumi's so-called "Good End," which obviously feels more like a "Fake End." I have now remembered more of her past and backstory, which does make me warm up to her a lot more, but I'm still a little conflicted over how I feel about her for now.

Next up is Sora's Good End, which I have very little expectations towards. lol Not to be harsh towards Sora, but I'm just not interested in her type of "Elegant Ojousama" woman. Her character archetype is one of my least favorite among anime archetypes. Doesn't really help that 

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she's not even human.

But again, I might change my tone after finishing her Good End, but we'll see. I did feel a bit bad about her during

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Tsugumi's Good End... She looked like she's at bliss, satisfied that Takeshi and Tsugumi made it out alive. Well, Tsugumi did anyway...

On a sidenote, I'm kinda annoyed that the XBox version of the game wasn't translated or ported. It looks a lot more fun with its additional content, not to mention its far more energetic OP theme that I really liked. Shame there's no patch to add that OP theme to the PC version of the game. I really don't like the PC version of the OP.

I might also play the other entries of the Infinity series in the future, but it seems that Remember11 wasn't finished or something, that one of the routes that explained the mystery wasn't completed, so I don't know how I feel about that. Oh well. Shame that 12Riven doesn't look like it's going to be translated any time soon.

[Rain Spectre]

Oh boy, Sora's route...a warning, it is easily the worst part of the game. 

[Dreamysyu]

Just now, Rain Spectre said:

Oh boy, Sora's route...a warning, it is easily the worst part of the game. 

Warning: you just triggered @Funyarinpa.

[Rain Spectre]

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I stand by what I say. The route was a mess. About half of it was just wholesale ripped from Tsugumi's with only minor differences, the majority of what is different is a toothless romance the felt like it went nowhere and it brought up a number of fascinating ideas regarding AI and the Pygmalion Effect and did nothing with them. The route reeked of being a last-minute addition, having no contributions to the narrative besides the explanation of how Sora survived LeMu collapsing, and the whole thing with her memory being wiped was resolved almost as soon as it happened. It was a lazy mess, and could've been cut from the game without hindering anything.

 

[Dreamysyu]

8 minutes ago, Rain Spectre said:

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I stand by what I say. The route was a mess. About half of it was just wholesale ripped from Tsugumi's with only minor differences, the majority of what is different is a toothless romance the felt like it went nowhere and it brought up a number of fascinating ideas regarding AI and the Pygmalion Effect and did nothing with them. The route reeked of being a last-minute addition, having no contributions to the narrative besides the explanation of how Sora survived LeMu collapsing, and the whole thing with her memory being wiped was resolved almost as soon as it happened. It was a lazy mess, and could've been cut from the game without hindering anything.

 

Don't worry, I just half-jokingly summoned here a person who has the opposite opinion. I personally kind of agree that it was weaker than the other routes and overall pretty unnecessary.

31 minutes ago, LemiusK said:

On a sidenote, I'm kinda annoyed that the XBox version of the game wasn't translated or ported. It looks a lot more fun with its additional content, not to mention its far more energetic OP theme that I really liked. Shame there's no patch to add that OP theme to the PC version of the game. I really don't like the PC version of the OP.

From what I heard, the rewrote so much in that version that it pretty much became a new VN. It even has a separate page on VNDB, which says a lot since they usually don't add new pages even when the new version really needs one.

35 minutes ago, LemiusK said:

Compared to the three other AS I've played so far, Michiru's AS just has the least amount of story and character development.

These types of after stories typically don't have much character development since they are just there to artificially continue the story. I don't know, I liked Michiru's AS for what it is, but I agree that the after stories for Sachi, Amane and Makina are a lot more interesting. As for Yumiko... It was so boring that I almost skipped it.

[LemiusK]

4 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said:

From what I heard, the rewrote so much in that version that it pretty much became a new VN. It even has a separate page on VNDB, which says a lot since they usually don't add new pages even when the new version really needs one.

Makes me want to play it even more. Reminds me of the untranslated "Plus Communication" version of Da Capo, which I was so curious about that I had to play the Mandarin version (my Mandarin isn't that good).
 

6 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said:

These types of after stories typically don't have much character development since they are just there to artificially continue the story. I don't know, I liked Michiru's AS for what it is, but I agree that the after stories for Sachi, Amane and Makina are a lot more interesting. As for Yumiko... It was so boring that I almost skipped it.

Yeah, I know. I actually don't really hate Michiru's AS that much, as it's still kinda funny. But I just feel so bad for her; she's still the butt-monkey in every other route, even in her own AS. Would have liked to see some form of maturity or character growth like all the other heroines, that's all.

Shame about Yumiko's AS... that's the final AS I'm gonna play. And then, it's finally time for the Grand Route/Main Route. Now that I know Yumiko's AS is boring, makes me feel even more anxious to complete it so that I could move on to the good stuff. lol

[Dreamysyu]

13 minutes ago, LemiusK said:

Makes me want to play it even more. Reminds me of the untranslated "Plus Communication" version of Da Capo, which I was so curious about that I had to play the Mandarin version (my Mandarin isn't that good).

The problem is that, from what I heard, the authors who did the rewrites aren't really that good, and some of the rewrites were pretty unnecessary. I didn't read that version since it's untranslated, but I've seen a certain really generic CG of

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Sara pointing a gun towards Tsugumi

that apparently appears in that version, and it makes me very suspicious whether this new content really adds anything of value.

13 minutes ago, LemiusK said:

Yeah, I know. I actually don't really hate Michiru's AS that much, as it's still kinda funny. But I just feel so bad for her; she's still the butt-monkey in every other route, even in her own AS. Would have liked to see some form of maturity or character growth like all the other heroines, that's all.

Oh, yeah, I kind of agree. I don't know, sometimes it feels that different writers didn't agree on how they wanted to develop Michiru, so in the end, though she is still my favorite character, I didn't feel like the way they handled her character was very satisfying.

13 minutes ago, LemiusK said:

Shame about Yumiko's AS... that's the final AS I'm gonna play. And then, it's finally time for the Grand Route/Main Route. Now that I know Yumiko's AS is boring, makes me feel even more anxious to complete it so that I could move on to the good stuff. lol

Well, let's hope that you'll like it more than me. And the Grand Route is actually pretty good, so look forward to that!

Edited November 21, 2018 by Dreamysyu

[LemiusK]

5 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said:

The problem is that, from what I heard, the authors who did the rewrites aren't really that good, and some of the rewrites were pretty unnecessary. I didn't read that version since it's untranslated, but I've seen a certain really generic CG of

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Sara pointing a gun towards Tsugumi

that apparently appears in that version, and it makes me very suspicious whether this new content really adds anything of value.

Still, even if it's generic, something like that does pique my interest, since it's not something more ordinary or far more generic like eating or something right out of the anime cliche textbook. Makes me wonder how Sara acquired that object. Seems like quite a significant plot-device.

Edited November 21, 2018 by LemiusK