G-Senjou no Maou: Fan TL vs Sekai TL

[monkeysrumble]

I've been wanting to play this VN for awhile but I've held off on it since Sekai was going to do an official release. However since the game was released there has been a lot of controversy surrounding it and I've been uncertain as to which version to play. So in your honest opinion what version is better? Fan TL or Sekai?

[Mugi]

Pretty sure the are almost completely the same, aside from Sekai's version having cropped CG's and being censored.

[CryingWestern]

Everyone's bitter, when someone goes and officially localize something that has been translated for years.

[periah250]

i already read and have the fan tl so really i couldn't care less but the fact they could have translated an untranslated game instead of a translated game where the patch is perfectly fine. short version is i didn't care just found it to be a waste of time.

[VirginSmasher]

Stick with the fan TL unless Sekai Project releases an uncensored version like they did with Grisaia. It may just be because I prefer uncensored editions compared to the censored cause it feels weird whenever I play a censored VN and it seems like there's gonna be an h scene and...cut to black. 

[Scorp]

I did not bought (and will never buy) that Sekai version, so cannot do a script comparison to tell, how much is changed, but on all promo screenshots I saw text is 100% identical to fan translation. So stuck with it.

Also Grisaia (the one sold on denpasoft) is censored, so it is very similar to fan TL (as koestl seems translated new content in all ages only)... That's only when Sekai came publishing VNs we got this "unrated" words, which means "still mosaic, but we did not cutted original game", while it meant "no mosaics" all the time befofe and did not tricked people like myself with these "unrated" word.

So please do not tell "uncensored", as it is completely not true (as indeed, mosaic is censorship, why tell "uncensored" and still have censorship in form of mosaics?).

[VirginSmasher]

I did not bought (and will never buy) that Sekai version, so cannot do a script comparison to tell, how much is changed, but on all promo screenshots I saw text is 100% identical to fan translation. So stuck with it.

Also Grisaia (the one sold on denpasoft) is censored, so it is very similar to fan TL (as koestl seems translated new content in all ages only)... That's only when Sekai came publishing VNs we got this "unrated" words, which means "still mosaic, but we did not cutted original game", while it meant "no mosaics" all the time befofe and did not tricked people like myself with these "unrated" word.

So please do not tell "uncensored", as it is completely not true (as indeed, mosaic is censorship, why tell "uncensored" and still have censorship in form of mosaics?).

I was talking about the h scenes.

[Scorp]

H-scenes are censored with mosaics. So please be correct in terms, this really misguide people. That's why Sekai told their version is "unrated", not "uncensored".

[Tyr]

Mosaics are not censorship, because they do not censor anything as an "uncensored" CG never existed in the first place. Mosaics are an integral part of the original Japanese CGs.

[monkeysrumble]

H-scenes are censored with mosaics. So please be correct in terms, this really misguide people. That's why Sekai told their version is "unrated", not "uncensored".

Censorship is much broader then just actual bars covering things up, it can literally be applied to anything that is suppressing information or taking out content that is undesirable. For Grisaia it wasn't actually censored per say, they just used the PSP/Vita all ages version which is a little different from usual censorship. Though one could argue that the PSP/Vita versions were censored.

As for G-Senjou I feel like I'm leaning more towards the fan TL. The backgrounds look really nice in the new version but I think I'd prefer to have the h-scenes and uncropped CG's. I wish there was a way to have both HD assets and H-scenes. 

 

[CryingWestern]

On 11/17/2015 at 3:25 PM, Tyrosyn said:

Mosaics are not censorship, because they do not censor anything as an "uncensored" CG never existed in the first place. Mosaics are an integral part of the original Japanese CGs.

That's might be true, but they could either redraw the art for the localization company, give them the PSD files to draw in what was censored. *Removed*

Edited August 18, 2020 by CryingWestern
Old me is a F***ing idiot.

[KuroganeHomura]

Mosaics are not censorship, because they do not censor anything as an "uncensored" CG never existed in the first place. Mosaics are an integral part of the original Japanese CGs.

Mosaics are applied on the original CGs to produce the censored CGs.

It's a bit of an issue because the original version is already censored, so on the one hand, releasing a translated version with no further censorship applied is in a sense uncensored, yet at the same, still has mosaic censorship. Honestly, I don't think the term uncensored should be used for something that still has mosaics on it. Relating to Japanese pornographic media, "uncensored" is pretty much synonymous with "has mosaics removed (and nothing else cut out)", not just with VNs, but also JAV and adult manga & anime. I'm not entirely sure what term to use instead, but perhaps "uncut" could work, seeing as that's more generally used to refer to something that has no parts of it cut out (like a movie that has no scenes removed).

[Down]

ITT: nerds argue about muh porn and petty semantics. The internet in a nutshell.

This was my batman post of the day don't mind me

[Kawasumi]

ITT: nerds argue avout muh porn and petty semantics. The internet in a nutshell.

This was my batman post of the day don't mind me

Muh porn is actually very important to me ;W;

[Tyr]

Mosaics are not censorship, because they do not censor anything as an "uncensored" CG never existed in the first place. Mosaics are an integral part of the original Japanese CGs.

Mosaics are applied on the original CGs to produce the censored CGs.

It's a bit of an issue because the original version is already censored, so on the one hand, releasing a translated version with no further censorship applied is in a sense uncensored, yet at the same, still has mosaic censorship. Honestly, I don't think the term uncensored should be used for something that still has mosaics on it. Relating to Japanese pornographic media, "uncensored" is pretty much synonymous with "has mosaics removed (and nothing else cut out)", not just with VNs, but also JAV and adult manga & anime. I'm not entirely sure what term to use instead, but perhaps "uncut" could work, seeing as that's more generally used to refer to something that has no parts of it cut out (like a movie that has no scenes removed).

No, there is a difference. Obviously, in JAVs the filmed material is censored with a mosaic/blur filter. In most doujinshi/manga you can also see that everything was drawn and only some black lines are drawn over it.

But in most eroge, there never was anything under the mosaic layer. The artist designed the CG with the mosaics already in mind. Why should he bother drawing something nobody will ever see?
True, there are exceptions, mostly nukige. For example, the unofficial official uncensor patch for Starless will literally "uncensor" the CGs, because Sei Shoujo likes to draw ochinchins and omankos and the original CGs already had these details.

But I don't think Mangagamer drawing some ugly genitals on the CGs, which weren't included by the original artist, can be called "uncensoring". It's a modification of the CG, not uncensoring.
I'm always astonished to see that people would actually prefer such "fanart" instead of the original unaltered versions.

[monkeysrumble]

ITT: nerds argue about muh porn and petty semantics. The internet in a nutshell.

This was my batman post of the day don't mind me

Hentai. Serious business.

[Narcosis]

True, there are exceptions, mostly nukige. For example, the unofficial official uncensor patch for Starless will literally "uncensor" the CGs, because Sei Shoujo likes to draw ochinchins and omankos and the original CGs already had these details.

This made my day.

Keep it up, guys. Porn is definately a cause worth fighting for.

[Tyr]

Obviously it is serious business. I wouldn't waste my time fapping to something I don't care about.

But I'm not fighting. I'm just discussing the topic of censorship and mosaics. Don't know what's so strange about it...

[Decay]

Most eroge do actually have something underneath the mosaics. You have to have something there because a barebones level of detail is required even if there are mosaics. AFAIK, MangaGamer doesn't do redraws, I've never seen anyone from MG talk about that. I believe some people misunderstood a tweet from Doddler where he mentioned touching up a HCG from ImoPara in photoshop but that is the extent of it. He is certainly no artist. The reason why their CGs look so shitty is because that's the basic level of detail the original artists went with in their pre-mosaiced CGs, and that's all MG has to work with. If they were to redraw them, they'd probably look better. This is why there's such a strong inconsistency between companies. Softhouse Seal's genitals look like shit while Clock Up's look alright. Even Minori, who refused to release uncensored games in the west, had uncensored originals. You could tell there's more detail there than you'd think when you compared the original mosaiced CGs to the "reduced" mosaics in the western releases.

[CryingWestern]

On 11/17/2015 at 6:39 PM, Decay said:

AFAIK, MangaGamer doesn't do redraws, I've never seen anyone from MG talk about that.

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Edited August 18, 2020 by CryingWestern
Old me is a F***ing idiot.

[XReaper]

AFAIK, MangaGamer doesn't do redraws, I've never seen anyone from MG talk about that.

Not gonna go through much detail, but MangaGamer does do the genital drawings, but it depends on what the contract they have with the company says (Either the original artist will draw it, or one us will instead).

that explains...alot :/

[kingdomcome]

I plan on buying it.. since I prefer to not have H-scenes. I'm going to see if it's really as bad as most of you are saying.

[Silvz]

It is worth to pay for the game. First, you are helping a company that is bringing new VNs to the west, and not only "already available" ones. Second, the only real issue is that they removed the H-scenes [which weren't that good anyway].

And I can't see the problem people complain about the cropped CGs. It wasn't even Sekai Project's decision, and they didn't crop essential parts of them, just some borders. They are also in HD, so why not?

[XReaper]

It is worth to pay for the game. First, you are helping a company that is bringing new VNs to the west, and not only "already available" ones. Second, the only real issue is that they removed the H-scenes [which weren't that good anyway].

And I can't see the problem people complain about the cropped CGs. It wasn't even Sekai Project's decision, and they didn't crop essential parts of them, just some borders. They are also in HD, so why not?

true, as you´ll only miss out on the aspect of corruption of characters to a good degree btw one bad ending doesnt really make sense anymore, but hey lets be happy & dance around the campfire whilst praising this so called progress to the fullest...

[Scorp]

It is worth to pay for the game. First, you are helping a company that is bringing new VNs to the west, and not only "already available" ones. Second, the only real issue is that they removed the H-scenes [which weren't that good anyway].

And I can't see the problem people complain about the cropped CGs. It wasn't even Sekai Project's decision, and they didn't crop essential parts of them, just some borders. They are also in HD, so why not?

You do not see the problem with cropped CG - but other people see, believe me. Also main point is that it was possible to do all without cropping by utilizing scroll - but not one really cared for that it seems, so we got what we got - cutted and cropped widescreen edition, which is praised as "superior", dunno for what reason, as it is not.