QuQu: Watching Visual Novels and the Failings of Sekai Project

[Scorp]

6 minutes ago, wyldstrykr said:

its like time vs money, if you have time learn japanese, if you have money, pay them

I doubt anyone would sell his kidney to pay for VN translation.

[wyldstrykr]

maybe ill change that to "money" to "spare money" or "kidney"

[Kawasumi]

40 minutes ago, Scorp said:

But this is true. If you have money, you can commision almost anyone of your choice to translate any sort of ridiculous stuff. koestl, conjueror, arunaru, gare, aroduc, maria - everyone is freelance, so if you can pay them - you will get your translation. Alas I think it would be MUCH cheaper to learn japanese instead.

 

you can learn japanese of the grand total price of 0$!!!!! 

what a steal.

[Xavier12]

Getting a Doujinshi translated for a few bucks is no problem.

But a VN would actually require quite some money, so you might actually get legal problems there.

 

10 minutes ago, Kawasumi said:

you can learn japanese of the grand total price of 0$!!!!! 

what a steal.

You could also just learn to write your own word program, repair your own car, perform your own heart surgery etc.

It's always a matter of perspective.

[Kawasumi]

Just now, Xavier12 said:

Getting a Doujinshi translated for a few bucks is no problem.

But a VN would actually require quite some money, so you might actually get legal problems there.

 

You could also just write your own word program, repair your own car, perform your own heart surgery etc.

It's always a matter of perspective.

I dont get why people blow learning japanese to read VNs so ridiculously out of proportion. 

[Xavier12]

1 minute ago, Kawasumi said:

I dont get why people blow learning japanese to read VNs so ridiculously out of proportion. 

Because people got things to do.

Even if it's just 1 or 2 hours a day for a few years, it takes time that could be spend doing other things.

[sanahtlig]

5 minutes ago, Kawasumi said:

I dont get why people blow learning japanese to read VNs so ridiculously out of proportion. 

I think the better question is: why would anyone learn one of the hardest languages for a native English speaker to acquire just to play video games / do other useless things?  There's many more productive uses of one's time on one hand, and more interesting / entertaining things to do with that time on the other.

[Kawasumi]

7 minutes ago, sanahtlig said:

I think the better question is: why would anyone learn one of the hardest languages for a native English speaker to acquire just to play video games / do other useless things?  There's many more productive uses of one's time on one hand, and more interesting / entertaining things to do with that time on the other.

because its fun and I love learning stuff as a hobby, to be honest, I would never have carried on with it if I didnt enjoy doing it in my freetime.

Im also in the happy situation that I do creative things for a living and VNs are really helping me get the creativity going for some reason.

I can only speak for myself though,

[Dergonu]

36 minutes ago, sanahtlig said:

I think the better question is: why would anyone learn one of the hardest languages for a native English speaker to acquire just to play video games / do other useless things?  There's many more productive uses of one's time on one hand, and more interesting / entertaining things to do with that time on the other.

Because ... They want to? ... 

You don't need any bigger, greater meaning for it than that. 

People can do what they want with their time. 

[littleshogun]

I think I didn't understand much about the video ie I didn't listen it yet. But regarding the reason of learning Japan, maybe it was because quite fun past time (Also probably they treat is as hobby here) and they had too much free time. Regardless, it's their choice to learn Japanese or not of course.

Just looking at the comment section of Youtube, and based on the comment I think I only understand that crowfunding had some divisive thing because instead the company using their own money, they use fan money, and it's evident with this guy in regard of hate with Sekai (Well, Sekai was launched Kickstarter for their VN Release mostly). Although I understand why Sekai need to crowfunding though (It's just a new company and they probably still gathered enough money), and keep in mind that some of Kickstarted VN was famous and involving many famous talent (Clannad, Grisaia, and Root Double here was the example). Also there's the fact that Sekai keep announcing doujin VN, probably to keep the licensing cost at minimum (Usually they didn't need crowfunding). I think that's all I could understand in regard of this for now.

[Scorp]

8 hours ago, sanahtlig said:

I think the better question is: why would anyone learn one of the hardest languages for a native English speaker to acquire just to play video games / do other useless things?  There's many more productive uses of one's time on one hand, and more interesting / entertaining things to do with that time on the other.

I never got any real use for any other language than english, apart business things. Actually only people, obsessed with something, would spend years in learning. But to read porn you do not really need to know japanese - you just could open a jparser (Mecab/Chii/whatever), read for 3-4 hours japanese grammar basics in Tae Kim and you can start reading what you really want. Of course you will spend for 20 minutes trying to figure complex sentenses, but I belive it would get much better in some time. I never tried myself anyway, I've got enough things to read apart porn.

So seems only useful language would be chinese nowadays... Means the only language I see point in investing time and money to gain something back from this knowledge.

[Yuuko]

29 minutes ago, Scorp said:

So seems only useful language would be chinese nowadays... Means the only language I see point in investing time and money to gain something back from this knowledge.

Wanna know a good thing? There is a shitton of Japanese visual novels translated to Chinese. A nice bonus for learning it.

[Scorp]

25 minutes ago, Kiriririri said:

Wanna know a good thing? There is a shitton of Japanese visual novels translated to Chinese. A nice bonus for learning it.

*here is slowpoke sign with 'Breaking news!'*

Of course I know.

[Eai]

Well Sekai are by no means among favorite vn distributors. I don't know if they are less appreciated than others like Nutaku, but saying that they are not very popular comparatively to others is a secure fact. Their biggest problem is: they only rely on crownfunding, get several times a lot more money than needed, yet very little is know about what this excess money is becoming or why exactly they are so insisting about continuing crownfounding. It's limiting them in term of choices given the kickstarter rules about content. Also they must have sufficient backing founds now to try to get others licenses. They are a lot behind virtually all other distributors, given that there is not one single Japanese vn in their catalog which has an uncensored version (without mosaics), and a lot of their content is all age only. Also their last survey was mainly a joke: they were not even asking people what games they would like for future releases and instead asked boring and unrelevant questions.

About the previous comments, it 's unrealistic to assume people are going to go as far as learning a language for the sole purpose of reading porn *ahem* vns. I hear this often but there is not point to suggest others to learn Japanese to enjoy vns. Actually if you put this on an extreme perspective, it defeats the point:  that could mean that licensing vns in the west is not so important, because after all people should learn the language to play them.

10 hours ago, Xavier12 said:

You could also just learn to write your own word program, repair your own car, perform your own heart surgery etc.

Create your own visual novel...

[iamnoob]

On 6/15/2016 at 3:26 PM, Scorp said:

But this is true. If you have money, you can commision almost anyone of your choice to translate any sort of ridiculous stuff. koestl, conjueror, arunaru, gare, aroduc, maria - everyone is freelance, so if you can pay them - you will get your translation. Alas I think it would be MUCH cheaper to learn japanese instead.

 

I want to know where i can get someone to translate an entire VN for less than $100,000 please xD

[Okarin]

Saying Mass Effect is for storyfags (pardon the term) is laughable. Bioware is at an all-time low on their RPGs, which aren't RPGs anymore. Their latest shitfest, Dragon Age: Inquisition, could be tolerated for the graphics and the mildly interesting storyline (easy aspects to not screw on), but the terrible broken combat and the disingenuous, MMO-like fetch quests kill it all. The dialogues are also... not great, and the dialogue wheel is a bad decision, pretty much killing away the choices.

Also, why do you need more than 4 gigs of RAM? To play shit games like Shadow of Mordor?

[iamnoob]

17 minutes ago, Okarin said:

Saying Mass Effect is for storyfags (pardon the term) is laughable. Bioware is at an all-time low on their RPGs, which aren't RPGs anymore. Their latest shitfest, Dragon Age: Inquisition, could be tolerated for the graphics and the mildly interesting storyline (easy aspects to not screw on), but the terrible broken combat and the disingenuous, MMO-like fetch quests kill it all. The dialogues are also... not great, and the dialogue wheel is a bad decision, pretty much killing away the choices.

Also, why do you need more than 4 gigs of RAM? To play shit games like Shadow of Mordor?

Wrong thread gurl?

[Okarin]

7 minutes ago, iamnoob said:

Wrong thread gurl?

I'm responding to things in the OP, so use it or lose it. Also Rooke seems to be quite the Bioware fan, so stay tuned for a potential fight.

[solidbatman]

32 minutes ago, Okarin said:

Saying Mass Effect is for storyfags (pardon the term) is laughable. Bioware is at an all-time low on their RPGs, which aren't RPGs anymore. Their latest shitfest, Dragon Age: Inquisition, could be tolerated for the graphics and the mildly interesting storyline (easy aspects to not screw on), but the terrible broken combat and the disingenuous, MMO-like fetch quests kill it all. The dialogues are also... not great, and the dialogue wheel is a bad decision, pretty much killing away the choices.

Also, why do you need more than 4 gigs of RAM? To play shit games like Shadow of Mordor?

Shadow of Mordor was fun though lol
 

 

5 minutes ago, Okarin said:

I'm responding to things in the OP, so use it or lose it. Also Rooke seems to be quite the Bioware fan, so stay tuned for a potential fight.

Opinions are a great thing. Everyone has them. Now stop picking a fight for no reason other than to pick a fight, and stay on topic. Want to fight Rooke over stupid Bioware? Go make a thread in the gaming boards. 

[Okarin]

To stay (barely) on topic, my point is that the whole gaming industry is in bad shape. How couldn't that be extended to visual novels?

[Darklord Rooke]

7 hours ago, Okarin said:

Also, why do you need more than 4 gigs of RAM? To play shit games like Shadow of Mordor?

To play brilliant games like The Witcher 3. Even Pillars of Eternity wants 8 Gigs of RAM, although it will settle for 4.

7 hours ago, Okarin said:

Saying Mass Effect is for storyfags (pardon the term) is laughable. Bioware is at an all-time low on their RPGs, which aren't RPGs anymore. Their latest shitfest, Dragon Age: Inquisition, could be tolerated for the graphics and the mildly interesting storyline (easy aspects to not screw on), but the terrible broken combat and the disingenuous, MMO-like fetch quests kill it all. The dialogues are also... not great, and the dialogue wheel is a bad decision, pretty much killing away the choices.

The disdain for Bioware is usually over the dilution of RPG mechanics -> less tactical and more action oriented combat system, the dilution of the role stats play, lack of choice and consequence. That has little to do with the story oriented nation of their games, though.

I'm fine with their dialogue wheel TBH, and the dialogue ... well, I've recently played through KOTOR and the dialogue in Mass Effect is better. So they're improving. Also Drew Karypshyn, the legend who headed the story for Mass Effect 1 before the story became a companion gathering quest in ME2, is back at the studio which is a good thing. So there's positives.

But saying ME isn't for storyfags because the story sucks (is this what you're saying? It's not clear,) is like saying FFXIII isn't for storyfags because the story sucks (everybody knows FF games are just interactive movies these days.) 

7 hours ago, solidbatman said:

Opinions are a great thing. Everyone has them. Now stop picking a fight for no reason other than to pick a fight, and stay on topic. Want to fight Rooke over stupid Bioware? Go make a thread in the gaming boards. 

Responded before I saw this. Sorry, too early in the morning for thinking. If the conversation goes any further, maybe a mod could split it.

[Kelebek1]

I get triggered by the way he says sekai.