ratboi Posted January 19, 2018 Author Posted January 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, alden_0023 said: In terms of portrayal of HS romance, it is quite accurate in terms of the awkwardness, tiptoe-ing around, and petty fights. (Also that premature stuff) But asking a VN to real life romance beyond that is a tall task, since real life romance tends to end bad, or not end at all. So we'd be getting more bad ends or play until the couple dies and turns to ashes. Also, I feel a real life romance VN will still feell too manufactured, as we'll mostly likely skip the boring part and tend to focus more on the dramatics. Yes I agree that many portray high school romance realistically Quote
Akshay Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 9 hours ago, ratboi said: This is a thought that has been on my mind for some time. Now we all know the chances of a high school couple staying together forever are slim. You meet new people once you leave school, etc. I do know that it’s possible. But do you think visual novels present teenage romance in a way that is realistic? School Days may be the most realistic romance. r0xm2n 1 Quote
r0xm2n Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Akshay said: School Days may be the most realistic romance. Is that the Yandere game? Quote
Akshay Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, r0xm2n said: Is that the Yandere game? Yes, its probably what you are thinking off. No endings, for those who haven't watched/played it though. Its terribleness should be experienced by everyone. Quote
Guest Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Akshay said: Yes, its probably what you are thinking off. No endings, for those who haven't watched/played it though. Its terribleness should be experienced by everyone. Maggot Baits is obvs the better and most realistic romance story. Quote
Clephas Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 Most VN romances don't reflect reality... there are exceptions, but they are just that... exceptions. Quote
Kurisu-Chan Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 9 hours ago, ratboi said: Yes I agree that many portray high school romance realistically I remember in my high school day, that dude who was super random and no one knew, but he had a super power that allowed him to attract the 5-6-7 best girls of the entire highschool that happens to be of very precise tastes and with 0 actual personality, and he happens to be able to bang them all, because obviously they were virgins that happens to be better at sex than Mia Khalifa and Alexis Texas. Trully, VNs are realistic. Dreamysyu, Silvz, Nandemonai and 1 other 3 1 Quote
bakauchuujin Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kurisu-Chan said: I remember in my high school day, that dude who was super random and no one knew, but he had a super power that allowed him to attract the 5-6-7 best girls of the entire highschool that happens to be of very precise tastes and with 0 actual personality, and he happens to be able to bang them all, because obviously they were virgins that happens to be better at sex than Mia Khalifa and Alexis Texas. You forgot the fact that atleast one of the girls was his sister and atleast one of them his childhood friend. Also some of the girls may have been aliens that looks just like humans or spirits with superpowers Edited January 19, 2018 by bakauchuujin Quote
Guest Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, bakauchuujin said: You forgot the fact that atleast one of the girls was his sister and atleast one of them his childhood friend. Also some of them may have been aliens that looks just like humans or spirits with superpowers Also one of them were supposed to be around 15-18 years, but they have the height, apperance and the stereotypical maturity of a 6 year old. Edited January 19, 2018 by Guest Quote
Kurisu-Chan Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 Oh, how silly of me, i also forgot the girl that is not a girl but a..."girl", too. Quote
Ningen Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 The question should be whether romance is portrayed realistically in the context of the world and circumstances the game is set in. If it makes sense according to the logic of the game, then the game is a good game. Silvz 1 Quote
Stormwolf Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 38 minutes ago, Ningen said: The question should be whether romance is portrayed realistically in the context of the world and circumstances the game is set in. If it makes sense according to the logic of the game, then the game is a good game. While that might be a question to ask, that's not what the op asked for though. Quote
WinterfuryZX Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Kurisu-Chan said: I remember in my high school day, that dude who was super random and no one knew, but he had a super power that allowed him to attract the 5-6-7 best girls of the entire highschool that happens to be of very precise tastes and with 0 actual personality, and he happens to be able to bang them all, because obviously they were virgins that happens to be better at sex than Mia Khalifa and Alexis Texas. Trully, VNs are realistic. A vn protagonist can usually bang 1 girl per alternate universe, though. Edited January 19, 2018 by WinterfuryZX Quote
Guest Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, WinterfuryZX said: A vn protagonist can usually bang 1 girl per alternate universe, though. There is this thing called... Harem end that you know... Quote
WinterfuryZX Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 47 minutes ago, SeniorBlitz said: There is this thing called... Harem end that you know... Relatively uncommon in moege. Quote
Guest Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 38 minutes ago, WinterfuryZX said: Relatively uncommon in moege. True that. Tou I remember one moege that have a harem end... Quote
bakauchuujin Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 One example of a moege series with a harem ending is Nekopara. Imouto Paradise is kind of a moenukige, which has a harem end which is the true end. Also think Love Love Life Ojou-sama 7nin to Love Love Harem Seikatsu and Love Love ♥ Princess Ohime-sama ga Ippai! Motto Ecchi na Harem Seikatsu!! are moenukige with harem endings though I haven't played them yet, got the physical edition, just have a lot of other titles to read first. Quote
Nandemonai Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) No. I'm sorry, but Imouto Paradise is a nukige through and through. Moonstone Cherry is Moonstone's special brand for nukige, and, I mean, come on. What's Imouto Paradise about? It's about banging your imoutos. Sex is the primary focus of that game, and that's the definition of nukige. Nukige does not mean "has no story". Funbag Fantasy is clearly a nukige. And yes, having a harem route is one of the hallmark signs of being a nukige (although it's not a perfect tell; some things that have harem routes are not nukige.) "Moenukige" is not a thing. There could be examples of a game that might be hard to classify as one or the other, but until you can show me a large group of such games, that is not a subgenre. Edited January 20, 2018 by Nandemonai Quote
bakauchuujin Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 At the end of this they do call it the ultimate imouto moenukige, though I gues the fact that they themselves define it as such doesn't necessarily mean that it actually is a subgenre. Quote
Okarin Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Things like Katawa Shoujo do it better. And that's because Katawa doesn't have to move between the usual Japanese tropes. ratboi 1 Quote
littleshogun Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 Well maybe not, but then again there's some example that also happened in real life. So maybe it's not that unrealistic, although parents were mostly always absent and your childhood friend cook for you was a bit overdramatic though. Oh, and obviously most people here wouldn't have sex until they marry, so the sex part was definitely quite unrealistic - more if we consider that most if not all VN girls were just at below 18 years old (The disclaimer was obviously lies lol). Quote
Kurisu-Chan Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Okarin said: Things like Katawa Shoujo do it better. And that's because Katawa doesn't have to move between the usual Japanese tropes. It's even worse, Katawa Shoujo is a depiction of virginial american's dreams. But Katawa has to be unrealistic, it is telling a pretty passionnate story, something that is closer to Key's stuff, we don't need realism in such works, we need to feel the emotions, that's the most important thing. 4 minutes ago, littleshogun said: Well maybe not, but then again there's some example that also happened in real life. So maybe it's not that unrealistic, although parents were mostly always absent and your childhood friend cook for you was a bit overdramatic though. Oh, and obviously most people here wouldn't have sex until they marry, so the sex part was definitely quite unrealistic - more if we consider that most if not all VN girls were just at below 18 years old (The disclaimer was obviously lies lol). When you say realistic, you have to apply the same formula in real life and get the same result, i'm sorry, but 1-2-3 exceptions doesn't mean anything, it's called a stastistical error, at most. Plk_Lesiak 1 Quote
DharmaFreedom Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) *snip Edited January 21, 2018 by DharmaFreedom scrapped Quote
novurdim Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) On 18/01/2018 at 8:23 PM, ratboi said: do you think visual novels present teenage romance in a way that is realistic? Honestly, it's almost the same as asking if Linkoln really fought vampires like in the movie. Edited January 21, 2018 by novurdim Dreamysyu and Silvz 2 Quote
littleshogun Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Kurisu-Chan said: When you say realistic, you have to apply the same formula in real life and get the same result, i'm sorry, but 1-2-3 exceptions doesn't mean anything, it's called a stastistical error, at most. Well you got a point. That said, I believe that there's some example that could be happen in real life as well, such as childhood friend romance thing (My late aunt was coincidentally have that trope lol). But I understand that some of the romance in the VNs could be exaggerated, so much that it was very unrealistic. PS - As for a guy managed to attracting five to ten girls without effort, unless the guy was handsome I think it was impossible in real life. Quote
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