Irotoridori Kickstarter by Sol Press Funded at over 85k

[novurdim]

So the whole trilogy's goal is bigger than Grisaia's by a whooping 55k and even the sequel is locked under 170k. I foresee a lot of anger when they only localize the first game and then drop the others because its sales aren't amazing lol

[Stormwolf]

Yeah, at this rate we will never get the sequels through kickstarter.

[Antera]

Problem I believe is that lot of people don't know what this VN is about and also many people got burn on kickstart (thnx Sekai) 

[littleshogun]

At least we didn't have dinner with Kazuhiro Shida as the prize, because I remember that Koropukkur did have one and it looks unrealistic to me (Who want to have dinner with VN illustrator (Admittely well known one) anyway).

Okay the goal was definitely higher than both of their previous Sol Press VNs at 85,000, which is almost three times of Newton VN KS (At 2.7 times). Not to mention that it's only for the first VN, and if we remember we have Irotoridori as the trilogy (VNDB set Hikari as FD though) so Sol Press decided to add stretch goal to Hikari (170,000) and Akai (245,000), which obviously would be very tall order to have all trilogy to be translated. I just wonder if Favorite VN would be better left as fan translation instead of officially localized, because from what I saw apparently Favorite ask too much money for the localization cost there. It's just my assumption though, so I may be wrong on that. Good luck to the KS, and I hope it'll be successful.

Edited February 8, 2019 by littleshogun

[SaintOfVoid]

16 hours ago, littleshogun said:

I just wonder if Favorite VN would be better left as fan translation instead of officially localized

implying there´s someone who even wanted to translate it for free. almost sounds like a never-ever-ge either way to me...

[Naterocks2000]

Seeing the goals, it makes me wonder how much they spent on buying the rights/license? They must have spent a lot to have to go this far beyond anything else they've kickstarted.

[HataVNI]

Kickstarting three games in one month of time? Good luck.

[novurdim]

20 hours ago, littleshogun said:

I just wonder if Favorite VN would be better left as fan translation instead of officially localized, becaude from what I saw apparently Favorite ask too much money for the localization cost there.

But no fan translation was ever released for IroSeka, what do you even mean 

Edited February 8, 2019 by novurdim

[Stormwolf]

Just now, novurdim said:

My mind simply can't comprehend what this sentence might even mean in this case. Someone help me 

What's so difficult to understand? He says he thinks the developers of the VN took too much money for the license which makes it so expensive that it won't hit it's goals on kickstarter.

[novurdim]

Just now, Stormwolf said:

What's so difficult to understand? He says he thinks the developers of the VN took too much money for the license which makes it so expensive that it won't hit it's goals on kickstarter.

It was a joke post about how there was never a released fan translation of IroSeka (except a dropped prologue in 2015) and will never be so his words make basically no sense in this situation. But I quickly realised it was very poorly worded and edited it a literal minute later, you were just lightning fast. I beg your pardon.

[Incynerate]

8 hours ago, Naterocks2000 said:

Seeing the goals, it makes me wonder how much they spent on buying the rights/license? They must have spent a lot to have to go this far beyond anything else they've kickstarted.

Yeah, I also wonder if Favorite's fee was particularly high. It sounds like Nekonyan had been unsuccessfully pursuing Iroseka for quite some time. But if Sol Press was able to swoop in, maybe it was because they were willing to pay a higher licensing cost.

Anybody know if VN devs also demand a % of localized sales? It doesn't look like Hoshimemo sold particularly well outside of its Kickstarter, so if the licensing fee was in fact higher than before, maybe it was because Favorite demanded more of their money upfront. But that's just more baseless speculation on my part.

[Stormwolf]

27 minutes ago, Incynerate said:

Yeah, I also wonder if Favorite's fee was particularly high. It sounds like Nekonyan had been unsuccessfully pursuing Iroseka for quite some time. But if Sol Press was able to swoop in, maybe it was because they were willing to pay a higher licensing cost.

Anybody know if VN devs also demand a % of localized sales? It doesn't look like Hoshimemo sold particularly well outside of its Kickstarter, so if the licensing fee was in fact higher than before, maybe it was because Favorite demanded more of their money upfront. But that's just more baseless speculation on my part.

Well, likely most people who wanted to read it had already backed the kickstarter. 

[Swim Swim]

I cant back this, the biggest reason is that there are no guarantee for an uncensored physical release, a disc with Steam on it wont it cut, especially if needed to download external patches just to have my game restored to normal.

[novurdim]

All speculation is meaningless at this point, not to mention that usually no kickstarter fully covers the licensing fees, they are higher than you think. it could very well be that Sol Press is stretched too thin already and/or in considerable financial distraught, especially when you look at the status of their ln/manga titles, so they simply might want to cover more of the expenses with this KS. 200k+ goal is not really a definite indication that Favorite's fees are extremely high when compared to other bigger pubs.

Edited February 8, 2019 by novurdim

[Naterocks2000]

13 hours ago, Incynerate said:

Yeah, I also wonder if Favorite's fee was particularly high. It sounds like Nekonyan had been unsuccessfully pursuing Iroseka for quite some time. But if Sol Press was able to swoop in, maybe it was because they were willing to pay a higher licensing cost.

Anybody know if VN devs also demand a % of localized sales? It doesn't look like Hoshimemo sold particularly well outside of its Kickstarter, so if the licensing fee was in fact higher than before, maybe it was because Favorite demanded more of their money upfront. But that's just more baseless speculation on my part.

I've also always wondered how companies sell their rights/licenses as well? Lump-sum might be good if they expect it to not sell that great, but the % of the profits would always be the better decision, because they already made a profit on their title in Japan and the western release's sales just add to that.

Edited February 9, 2019 by Naterocks2000

[Naterocks2000]

13 hours ago, Swim Swim said:

I cant back this, the biggest reason is that there are no guarantee for an uncensored physical release, a disc with Steam on it wont it cut, especially if needed to download external patches just to have my game restored to normal.

FAQ says that you will "probably" have to choose between standard version and the "director's cut" version (meaning your uncensored bits) and availibility varies based on location.

[Zantax]

20 hours ago, Swim Swim said:

I cant back this, the biggest reason is that there are no guarantee for an uncensored physical release, a disc with Steam on it wont it cut, especially if needed to download external patches just to have my game restored to normal.

Please don't take this too personally because it's more general but...
WTF
I really don't understand why some pople discard a VN because it's not uncensored. It's not a nukige. It's not like you are just buying porn so you want to make sure that side it's completely up to your taste. There is only 1 scene for Shinku, 3 for Mio and 2 for each other heroine. Of course (as it usually is) they serve no purpose plot-wise and can just be skipped.
It's completely fine to not wanting to read or buy something, but using that kind of reasoning really pisses me off -.-

[iamnoob]

1 hour ago, Zantax said:

Please don't take this too personally because it's more general but...
WTF
I really don't understand why some pople discard a VN because it's not uncensored. It's not a nukige. It's not like you are just buying porn so you want to make sure that side it's completely up to your taste. There is only 1 scene for Shinku, 3 for Mio and 2 for each other heroine. Of course (as it usually is) they serve no purpose plot-wise and can just be skipped.
It's completely fine to not wanting to read or buy something, but using that kind of reasoning really pisses me off -.-

^ This

Seriously it's not a nukige. If mosaics are a priority for you go look some nukige with 1000 H scenes.

If you want an amazing story then back this. Seriously, this and I've just read a bit of Sakura Moyu. Also an amazing VN by them.


@Swim Swim
On a more helpful note. Just ask Sol press directly if the director's cut = uncensored

http://discord.gg/hrcAzxq

Edited February 9, 2019 by iamnoob

[Swim Swim]

1 hour ago, Zantax said:

Please don't take this too personally because it's more general but...
WTF
I really don't understand why some pople discard a VN because it's not uncensored. It's not a nukige. It's not like you are just buying porn so you want to make sure that side it's completely up to your taste. There is only 1 scene for Shinku, 3 for Mio and 2 for each other heroine. Of course (as it usually is) they serve no purpose plot-wise and can just be skipped.
It's completely fine to not wanting to read or buy something, but using that kind of reasoning really pisses me off -.-

No offense taken, I am not easily offended.

First I dislike your example, as it could be applied to anything, like suddenly action games you couldnt kill people then I could say "you can still shoot people and its not like you dont get graphics and plot"...

Now the important part is that I want to get the same product like Japanese did, if Its really not big deal why they cut the game? 

There is nothing more triggering for me than censorship, as an adult I should have the right to enjoy the same experience like Japanese did, and not a watered down edition version because of cultural imperialism from West. 

@iamnoob

You misunderstood me, I dont care about mosaics, I care about the eroge part left intact, but thanks for the link will ask.

[Zantax]

11 minutes ago, Swim Swim said:

You misunderstood me, I dont care about mosaics, I care about the eroge part left intact

Huh, I was thinking you are complaining about mosaics... I can understand wanting physical version with ero scenes so we are cool :]

[littleshogun]

On 2/8/2019 at 9:38 PM, novurdim said:

My mind simply can't comprehend what this sentence might even mean in this case. Someone help me 

You don't need to worry because I can still see your original poorly worded post here. What I want to say is that apparently Favorite did ask too much money for the license, and I'm kind of suspect it after I saw that they decided to chose Sol Press whose in favor of crowdfund instead of Nekonyan who already stated that they wouldn't use crowdfund (Granted they'd consider to use it, but it's still apply that they won't use KS unless it's absolutely neccesary and only when their costumer agree (Like Sanoba physical edition)). For comparison Hoshimemo did have 45,000 for the base goal (75,000 for EH), and it's already higher compared to usual Sekai KS back then. My statement in here is more like that perhaps we should have FAVORITE VNs being fan translated, so that the translator didn't need to bother with the license cost when they go official and need to do crowdfund (Including Astral Air). I also know that Irotoridori was cursed, and that I also know that I'm kind of doubt that Tokidan was been sick so that he abandones his work (It's a shame considering that it's already ~90% translated).

As for whether Sol Press did use KS money for covering their financial failure in the company, what I can say is that it's resembled both of Sekai and Frontwing situations although I wouldn't know for sure though. In any case, I think we can already see that they wouldn't be able to reach the goal for Akai although it's still too early to tell though because we can have surprise funding burst like back at Newton VN and Sakusakura if I remember.

Edited February 22, 2019 by littleshogun

[Stormwolf]

This will struggle to even reach the goal. I truly hate kickstarter.

[Hetzer123]

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Edited October 2, 2019 by Hetzer123

[novurdim]

11 hours ago, littleshogun said:

You don't need to worry because I can still see your original poorly worded post here.

This is pretty weird indeed, who disabled an edit button.

11 hours ago, littleshogun said:

What I want to say is that apparently Favorite did ask too much money for the license, and I'm kind of suspect it after I saw that they decided to chose Sol Press whose in favor of crowdfund instead of Nekonyan who already stated that they wouldn't use crowdfund (Granted they'd consider to use it, but it's still apply that they won't use KS unless it's absolutely neccesary and only when their costumer agree (Like Sanoba physical edition)). For comparison Hoshimemo did have 45,000 for the base goal (75,000 for EH), and it's already higher compared to usual Sekai KS back then.

Well, as I mentioned above, this is a pretty poor and unfounded speculation so I wouldn't just blame Favorite for the expensive goals, there are dozens of variables.

12 hours ago, littleshogun said:

My statement in here is more like that perhaps we should have FAVORITE VNs being fan translated, so that the translator didn't need to bother with the license cost when they go official and need to do crowdfund (Including Astral Air).

Yes, this is why I brought it up in the first place. I know you are speaking extremely hypothetically but we should live in the present. It means that we either get VNs like this officially or don't get them at all. The only person who could, in theory, decently fan-translate IroSeka has founded NekoNyan. Nowadays you won't get fan-translations of the publishers who already dabble in the western market no matter how long you wait, unless it's some miracle release like Baldr Force, for the few exceptions readable fan-translations are basically dying out and that's actually a good thing. Saying that it "should have been fan translated for free because I think Favorite asks too much money" is just so senseless that I couldn't keep my mouth shut. I do regret the impulse already, I know this won't get me anywhere. 

[iamnoob]

On 2/8/2019 at 2:02 AM, littleshogun said:

At least we didn't have dinner with Kazuhiro Shida as the prize, because I remember that Koropukkur did have one and it looks unrealistic to me (Who want to have dinner with VN illustrator (Admittely well known one) anyway).

Okay the goal was definitely higher than both of their previous Sol Press VNs at 85,000, which is almost three times of Newton VN KS (At 2.7 times). Not to mention that it's only for the first VN, and if we remember we have Irotoridori as the trilogy (VNDB set Hikari as FD though) so Sol Press decided to add stretch goal to Hikari (170,000) and Akai (245,000), which obviously would be very tall order to have all trilogy to be translated. I just wonder if Favorite VN would be better left as fan translation instead of officially localized, because from what I saw apparently Favorite ask too much money for the localization cost there. It's just my assumption though, so I may be wrong on that. Good luck to the KS, and I hope it'll be successful.

I want that dinner D:

Would be very insightful. Have a a lot of questions for him and Urushibara. 

Fan translations are a bit unreliable and there's also this quote from the kickstarter page

"In the case that the sequels are not funded, we will seek to fund them through alternative means."

I still hope it gets funded to Akai so it can be done asap