Sekai Project Official Grisaia Translation?

[Kaguya]

Alright, let's all calm down a bit. This may blow up soon. It's fine to express your opinion, as long as you keep discussion civil. Posts that don't do that will be removed.

[Lambda]

Alright, let's all calm down a bit. This may blow up soon. It's fine to express your opinion, as long as you keep discussion civil. Posts that don't do that will be removed.

Sorry. Will find my centre. Meditation's good for that, right?

 

I'm still excited for this... and hoping it gets funded somehow!

[Deep Blue]

Cool! Yeah, let's talk about the smut romance novels! The novels I don't read! Because! I! Don't! Like! Erotic! Content! Yeahhh! Let's talk about "smut romance novels" with story not on the level of a nukige! That sounds like an interesting topic! What one would you say has humour on par with Grisaia? Or characters? I'm curious. Go for it. One that gets guys to read it as well as girls. Wow, they must feel marginalized with all the erotic content clearly not aimed at them surrounded by that great story they want to enjoy.

They write them originally with erotic content and then, hey! They remove it! Because they want other people to play! The original developers decide, "hey, we understand that requiring erotic content in our game is kinda restrictive, so let's take it out!" And there's nothing wrong with it.

 

well but the point here is that they removed not only the h-scenes but parts of the plot itself (not sex-related), back to the h-scenes many vns have the option to turn them off, just as simple as that, give the player the option and for me this is worst because they are doing it just to grab more money, I don't believe the argument of them having a cautious attitude towards releasing adult content in the West and either way censorship is always a bad thing, it doesn't matter why they are doing it, then again this is just my personal opinion.

[kyrt]

This entire issue is a clusterfuck as I've said before. It's a mess. Nothing is happening as it should. I am horribly disappointed with this. I am however willing to back sekai project. I may not be happy with Frontwing at the moment but I believe in what Sekai Project wishes to do. The fact they tried to give us what we want but got countered by the rights owners who likely were worried about western reaction to sex/nudity/violence as well as wanted to try and find a means for extra profit. This is a cash grab regardless of whether that is the main purpose...if they perhaps give backers a voucher/or 75 percent off discount for the 18+ version (the cost ends up being about the same as the initial cost for the prefundia goal they had originally) it wouldn't be too much different. If they do this. Personally I think the only way that they can possibly make it succeed is by giving backers if not both games then the option of which one they want...or hell a patch available on their website a la sunrider. The idea of having them separate I admit is complete bullshit (at least their reasoning) it's totally cash driven motive. So because I want to trust Sekai Project I'm going to give this the benefit of the doubt...I also don't think there is any chance in hell after this recent revelation about the plans that it can make the goal anyway so my money will likely just come back to me. 

 

Censorship is always bad. Always no ifs and buts. However they are saying they will have two versions...this isn't censorship. (admittedly the wording is a bit vague and needs to be more concrete). If they censor aspects of the all age versions text then yeah it will be censorship and I will not be supporting as long as they don't do that then fine I will try and see how little money they actually get...admittedly I won't back until around the last minute probably so Frontwing can see how poorly this decision will go. 

 

I want to know if this one time try at kickstarter in its current state is a won or done deal. 

[RinXD]

I dont know I dont think too many people are gonna wanna shove money at them until they give detailed PR  releases about what to expect

[Lambda]

well but the point here is that they removed not only the h-scenes but parts of the plot itself (not sex-related), back to the h-scenes many vns have the option to turn them off, just as simple as that, give the player the option and for me this is worst because they are doing it just to grab more money, I don't believe the argument of them having a cautious attitude towards releasing adult content in the West and either way censorship is always a bad thing, it doesn't matter why they are doing it, then again this is just my personal opinion.

....I'm gonna be calm and centred (of course, my main argument was about RinXD's derogatory comments towards people who don't want sex in their games). Frankly, this is a whole new market for Frontwing. There are three real companies in this market: Sekai Project, which has shown the greatest amount of profit/support in its all-ages ventures (very few of its games are 18+, remember), Mangagamer (which, by its own staff's admissions, is barely keeping afloat/relies on non-story games to make its money - even when the story games have sex, they're crap shoots), and JAST (and we're surprised they're even releasing a game!). It's not surprising they're a little bit cautious. Add in the fact that in Japan, the 18+ and all-ages games are considered so different they need different titles. Their course of action isn't the most shocking thing.

 

Sekai Project's PR, of course, needs work. But this sounds like a new thing. It actually sounds like they're still in negotiations with Frontwing and trying to work this out.... I'd wait a little before the knee-jerk reactions to how they're handling this.

[Alucard]

No 18+ version with initial kick starter? Ha! I suggest pushing through a free rogue fan translation of the other games and this can fall flat on its face. I don't trust this project anymore

[Darklord Rooke]

Ha! I suggest pushing through a free rogue fan translation of the other games and this can fall flat on its face. I don't trust this project anymore

 

The guy who did the original fan translation is working with Sekai for the sequels, and his translation was half the appeal. There's not many groups hanging around the fan-tl scene that can translate at that calibre. Not to mention a new fan-translation would take a God-awful long time, or be rushed and dodgy.

[RinXD]

 I can read japanese and its not hard to read no more then steven king is hard to read its just the word choices that throw everything off

[Down]

 I can read japanese and its not hard to read no more then steven king is hard to read its just the word choices that throw everything off

[Famichip]

The Kickstarter for Grisaia will be launched this late Monday evening (PST) and expected to run through the end of January.

Update: Some (unofficial) info regarding the 18+ version by koestl :

-It won't be happening through Sekai Project, but through a "third party"

-There will hopefully be an official announcement during the KS campaign, once everyone involved agrees.

-Discounts for KS backers: Yes. Details TBD.

-Decensored CGs: Possible. Physical Release: Possible. DRM: Should be none.

[Deep Blue]

"There will be...

Possible, should be..."

 

meh, really disappointed, I will back it (maybe I'm not sure but I really really want to see the trilogy translated) but if they don't say anything regarding the +18 version or a free copy later on (or 80% discount) I will cancel my pledge, this is a really shitty thing to do on a kickstarter campaign but they leave me no other choice.

[RinXD]

Frontwing wont let them do that honestly this whole thing is FUBAR

[RinXD]

Frontwing just wants to make the greatest maximum profit hence why they're pushing the all ages version cause they seem to think that the market is greater for all ages content. while in a way they are right ALOT of people on this site would rather read all ages then 18+

[Chuee]

Frontwing just wants to make the greatest maximum profit hence why they're pushing the all ages version cause they seem to think that the market is greater for all ages content. while in a way they are right ALOT of people on this site would rather read all ages then 18+

It might come back to bit them in the ass if the Kickstarter doesn't go as well as they expected because they're using the 17+ version. 

[Decay]

At this point I don't think Koestl will ever release another fan patch. Why do something for free when you can get paid to do it? He's good enough to continue doing nothing but official work from here on.

[RinXD]

True, but, I mean, the original VN was 18+.  They had to add on extra content just to give people a reason to buy it, since it's basically a censored version of the original.  If I heard right, they censored parts of Amane's route that had nothing to do with sex in the all-ages Vita release, so...that's mostly what I'm ticked off about.  I don't want a partial product, I want the complete product.  koestl said that they'll try to restore the edited non-sexual content, but he's unable to make promises, which I know isn't his fault, but still is extremely annoying.  That's why people don't like abridged copies of books; there's no point in getting them when the unabridged copy exists.  I can't deny that the all-ages release got people interested in it that otherwise wouldn't have cared, but from what I've heard, most people want to get a legal copy of the 18+ version, save the people that only read all-ages VNs.

 

 

If that does happen, at least koestl will most likely fan-translate them, and Frontwing will learn a valuable lesson.  I don't want that to happen, but at least there'd be some upsides to that situation.

[suikashoujo]

Honestly, I'm kind of both sides with this issue, mainly because as a Grisaia fan that is under 18 and still lives with her parents, I would have been forced to support the all-ages release instead of the 18+ one regardless of what Frontwing and SP decided. So while this decision actually helps me when it comes to getting a hard copy of one of my favorite VNs, I can still completely understand why people who have the option and would prefer to pay for the adult version are frustrated regarding the lack of information. The fact that there's so little confirmed when the Kickstarter is tomorrow is pretty bad planning on the parts of the people involved. So i guess I'm just kind of conflicted on this issue. I'm going to support it regardless, though, since it looks like I can do so now.

[RinXD]

you know you could play it in your room on a laptop

[suikashoujo]

you know you could play it in your room on a laptop

[RinXD]

you must not be good at hiding things then :/ anyways ~end derailment~

[kyrt]

koestl: "The 18+ version is conditional on the M-rated version being funded. If the M-rated version is not released, the 18+ won't be either."

 

So yeah if they screw us over in the long run then fine that's a risk with kickstarter for any project, but as I've said before I'm going to take a chance. I like the game enough that I'm willing to risk it. If we don't manage to get it to succeed then we never have a chance for this franchise or any other games from Frontwing getting released here. This may be an initially bad plan but then this is also an opportunity. If the kickstarter succeeds we will get the M-rated version and the 18+ version (might come a little later...it does take time to translate H-scenes despite what people might think) but grisaia is not the only game we can get out of it. We will get Japan's recognition that we are willing to pay for visual novels and thus other visual novel companies might take interest. Key and Frontwing are pretty big companies this will not go unnoticed in Japan's visual novel industry. There is also an idea going around that Frontwing is specifically making two separate products the M-rated version and the 18+ version as separate products in order to see sales results on the two. See how many people are willing to buy the 18+ version separately from the M-rated version. This is the first time something like this has been done so this is a good time to look at results and studies of sales...if it succeeds. The 18+ scenes can be added in via a patch later if nothing comes of it but the translation for the other 2 games will take a long time if they ever were able to be released via fan translation and it's possible it might not happen at all. Koestl is the translator and can do a good job on this translation as we've seen. Hell if this succeeds we get 2 games we didn't have access to before, uncensored cgs (probably), and the recognition of japan's visual novel industry. Hell Key is a big visual novel company and so is Frontwing...even if I'm not exactly ecstatic about how this is being done, making it succeed will mean seeing more vns outside of Japan and isn't that the goal of visual novel fans?

 

The kickstarter seems likely to begin the 15th late evening if twitter is accurate. let's see this game get proper support not for this game alone but for the chance of future interests outside of Japan.

[LiquidShu]

Hmm I was planning on getting the physical trilogy but from the posts I'm not so sure. I just might though since I realllllly want Idol Mahou Shoujo Chiruchiru ☆ Michiru to be translated. Chiruchiru is best girl after all.

 

Also can someone give a dumbed down explanation of their plan for the All - ages and then 18+  version on their website or something? I haven't been keeping up with anything lately so a bit lost.

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Also can someone give a dumbed down explanation of their plan for the All - ages and then 18+  version on their website or something? I haven't been keeping up with anything lately so a bit lost.

[RinXD]

They're plans the same as it was the 18+ version is dependant on the all ages kickstarter succeding