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I still believe that the common route is the best part of Grisaia, across the entire trilogy. It's like a comedy sketch anime in a visual novel form, and it also perfectly captures what the story is about in the first place - a group of quirky outcasts trying to lead a normal life. That's what Grisaia is first and foremost, and as such its main focus are the characters and their interactions with one another - in other words, the comedy. The whole series went downhill as soon as it tried to have a serious plot, in my opinion. Even ignoring the mess that all the different writers made, it just loses most of its charm as soon as it tried to have a constant narrative, and the third entry in the series just ends up being a trainwreck that comes across more like a Hollywood parody than an epic conclusion.

>reusing the same jokes and stereotypes seven million times >fun

The common route is literally the best part (of what I've played... still only one full route). It is hilarious.

The common route is so ungodly boring that it makes me think the entire game is not worth my time no matter how much people praise it.

Well, to each his own i guess. I actually liked grisaia, it may not be the best thing out there but it was fun to read. Best part of the first game was the common route indeed. If you find it boring, just drop it, it won't be worth your time. The second game was pretty interresting, most likely my favorite "serious" part of the trilogy. The third game was a dissapointment though.. They wasted too much time preparing for the final (which was "cool" but bullsh.t story wise if you ask me ). PS : Michiru made the game anyways, even if her route was meh

>comedy "Yeah, let's hide our inability to write a good story by turning it into a hilarious joke. I'm sure people won't spot the difference!"

So some of you might have seen this thread a while back talking about a piece of software that I had written, to keep track of your visual novels. Unfortunately, it was fairly buggy, and it didn't support eroge from other sources as well. I am working on creating a new and improved version of this software from scratch, but I want requests from communities such as this one for features that they would like to see in it. I'm trying to make it something that people here would enjoy and use. So I am asking for input on any features that anyone would like, and I will do my best to add the features as I program it. I REALLY need input for features I should add regarding DLsite games, since I have no experience with those games. Since the DLsite Game Manager is now open source, I am now able to add features from that program into mine. So if there are any features from the GameManager you enjoyed, ask. Those features should be the fastest to add. Here is what the UI will mostly look like(subject to change): If you have ANY ideas for software suggestions, please leave a comment on this document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mzovyY6C18YTbGmSP6DhQLiXFSrw7UoN-sq6IRhzy0A/edit

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@Dergonu

Happy birthday @Dergonu !

Happy Birthday @Dergonu. Just to celebrate your birthday, I'll go have fun. As I do every other day.

I dont know about neptunia, but the other two are good (if you can stand valkyria translation, which is absolutly terrible ) As said before, you can play tales of berseria, it's a really good tales of imo. If your PC can handle it, get a ps2 emulator and play tales of the abyss (my favorite, you can even find undub version, it's most likely piracy even if you own the game though..), and xeno saga series. Disgaea series is a must too (for SRPG), unfortunatly, only the first two are avaible on PC, others are console exclusive... Nier automata should be good too, it's on my backlog ˆˆ. As for vn jrpg, baldr series is great (baldr sky is being translated).

Unfortunately hardly anything get translated. For us people who dont know japanese, Visual Novels cannot be ever more than some sideline hobby 99% of VNs never make it to english, sure you can try to learn jp but thats really so horribly hard that most of people cant do it, so better to just forget about untranslated stuff, and maybe keep a little hope that after 5-10 years you will read the title is translated, so finally can play it, however most likely will be never translated. This is what it means to be non-jp VN fan.

Yeah the only thing that I remember about common route is one of the most boring VN experience I ever had. As for the rest of the game, it suck big time, for me the biggest mystery the protag was himself, his personality was absolutely different on routes also the pacing was really all over the place, it almost felt like different people wrote the routes... Later learned that was indeed the case..... Another thing I have rarely seen so bad,was the chemistry with quite few girls, simply awful forced (makina?, the blonde hair girl, the maid)

I tried playing on hard then a level 2 jack-o-lantern one hit KOed my main character in the initial underground tutorial area. It's normal for me! I spent one day in the dungeon proper with all the important features opened up, and it seems i barely made any progress before I started running into nothing but higher level guys and my SP was running low. These dungeons are big, indeed. Most P4 ones took two days for me, or on rare occasions three. This starter dungeon seems like it will be taking me four or more. My pro tip is to sell the Soma you get for free from that free "DLC" on PSN, you can sell it for 50,000 yen and that's enough to kit out your starter party with good gear and then have a good chunk of change left over for whatever. edit: Are there any days in which you can't enter the dungeon? If so, I think I will actually spend at least a little bit of time building up some social links so I can improve my fusions. They give you a couple weeks, even with the bigger dungeons it seems like there's plenty of time.

I FUCKING WISH

I keep waiting for them to add the PS3 Yakuza games to that. I'd totally subscribe if they did. But it seems like they never will.

Sorry, did I say Nier Automata is 'pretty good'? I meant it's FKING AWESOME Granted Routes A and B are pretty standard stuff overall But man do they really hype things up with the beginning of C That's gotta be one of the most fun 'shit goes from bad, to worse, to FK EVERYTHING' chain of events to get to play through and it ends so beautifully with the last stand segments where you're just like C'MONNNNN but you inevitably have to accept reality and then commence crying buckets

It's a polarizing topic. Personally I liked it, I had lots of good laughs from most of it. On the other hand, I hated Rewrites' attempt at humor. Matter of mood and taste when all is said and done. If you don't initially like the premise or characters, you're likely in for a bad time - but if you like them, then all's good, right? (keep in mind I read Fruit of Grisaia when it was still just a fanTL, so any official changes to the script go over my head - though I do own both the steam and the +18 version now)

Guys, you understand that the common route of Grisaia is a pure comedy, and the comedy is supposed to be the most subjective of the genres, right? Also, I think, Grisaia is a rare case of a visual novel where if you haven't enjoyed a first hour of it, you can drop it without doubt.

I haven't been keeping track, honestly. I think it took me like 5 or something for the first one? Maybe more? You are forced out of dungeons at certain points for story reasons, getting the security level too high, etc. And you essentially have to be ready to fight the boss two days before the deadline. Plus you're going to pretty much have to leave sometimes because SP is relatively limited and your bullets only refill when you do so. Also maybe it's just me but a lot of enemies early on hit pretty hard. Makes me pretty happy that it isn't like P4 where I can just plow through a dungeon in a day.

Happy Birthday @Dergonu

Rewrite kinda has the same problem, common route is too long and tries too much to be funny (but it kinda works, because of what happens afterwards). Grisaia is beyond saving. Walking-deus-ex-machina-plot-device-protag really doesn't work in a comedy setting, imo. (He still doesn't work in the routes, at least for me, but that might be because I hate those kind of protagonists)

So... It's a band brought together by diarrhea? Well, I suppose Riho was able to elude that horrible fate...

Well even I remember thinking that the common route is kind of boring, etc but I didn't feel that it was all that bad. Then again the routes made up for it and made me feel that all that time put into reading it was worth it.

First I though about complaining on how uneeded is to make a whole thread for this purpose only, but you got my attention in the last part. One discussion that I have been having lately with friends is how some things get too much praise even though sometimes they are just average. People put many works - in our case, VNs - in pedestals that in most cases they do not deserve, not for not being good, but for not being worth it. Another matter would be how this praising can be harmful as we get saturated of seeing these works everywhere. Grisaia is a name that appears on the forums each five threads are made. That it is good it is clear, but I have to say that seeing how repetitive is our recommendation section, I tend to ignore many novels as I'm pretty sure they would not stand to the hype people create for them.

Wasn’t Nekopara just a glorified gallery for people who were interested in a famous artist and her 2 famous cat creations?

While these people are correct, I still don't get why they need to be assholes about it. A newcomer is not going to know the rules or what this site is all about so have some patience people. Of course like always, this thread will be locked soon.

i strongly recommend Ys Origin.

I knew that it's still too early and it's the second time that I say this, but let me say happy 22nd birthday to @Dergonu here. Hope you had good year ahead.

^THIS! And don't forget the "gentle kingdom" and "everyone is alone" lines... And his name was Gasai, Caesar was his alias. God, he was the best character and I really wanted a route where the MC sided with him. Maybe that would make the novel better! Such a waste...

'Maledom'. Is this the latest code word for rape games?