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How do you guys feel about the JVN industry right now?
Infernoplex reacted to Clephas for a topic
That would be so... if not for economic problems in Japan. People aren't as willing to open their wallets for this kind of leisure over there as they were five or ten years ago... at least my generation isn't. The current world economy is making it even worse, since everyone is afraid of a collapse and Japan's economy is constantly moving back and forth between minor growth and minor contractions (despite government economic policies that are supposedly designed to fix the problem). It is true that the younger generation has less disposable income... but that is leading to a decrease in goods sales (figurines, dakimakura, etc) rather than 'mainline' material like games, LNs, and anime discs or downloads. That also hurts the VN industry, because many companies are at least partially dependent on selling goods to make up for temporary losses (a common strategy in the VN industry). This has also led to fewer people buying new and release day versions, because the younger generation has less interest in swag/omake material (prime incentives for the somewhat obsessive collectors of my generation in Japan). Edit: Also, I should note that Japanese wages have been stagnant for decades, and fewer efforts have been made to hide that fact than were made in the US. As a result, recent inflation has negated any gains for the average person and most people know it. Also, the changes in Japanese corporate culture and structure have essentially eliminated career stability for many professions, so the argument that someone will make more money as they get older doesn't really apply here. That said, a larger percentage of the young population live off multiple part-time jobs than in previous generations, so your point isn't completely off the mark. Saturation has been an issue for over ten years... and it essentially resulted in charage becoming more... efficient (shorter and less complex VNs, constant 'tossing away' of writers and artists that asked for too much money, increasing reliance on temporary contractors even in popular companies, etc). The actual number decreasing is a relatively recent phenomenon. 2nd hand sales have always been an issue, though moreso of late... in fact, there has been something of a boom in the sales of older VNs (one reason a lot of older VNs began appearing on dlsite and DMM as download-only versions with no real announcement in the last four years). The tendency of online platforms to regularly offer sales and incentives to buy download-only versions has increased the tendency to only consume the 'main material' amongst the younger generation. Another issue is that Japanese companies are not 'light on their feet'. This is especially true of VN companies... well, really Japanese gaming companies of all types. The tendency for a company to 'find their niche' and adjust only really ineptly when forced to adapt to changing market conditions is typical. A rather famous example of this tendency would be Konami, where the use of video and audio 'tapes' (not to mention overhead projectors, lol) in presentations was still the norm four years back. This unwillingness/inability to adapt to changes in something as fundamental to gaming as video/audio tech illustrates the point rather bluntly, at least to my mind. Edit: I should note that, while I do sound cynical (and I am) and negative about the industry in my posts, I do honestly think that, after a time, the industry will manage to reimagine itself. I won't predict what it will look like in the end though, since consumption trends are unpredictable in times of economic trouble. Japan's economy hasn't been in great shape for decades, but it is increasingly vulnerable to outside influences (it was less so in previous decades due to certain trade policies) aside from the obvious ones like fuel and plastics. While I did note that there was a dramatic increase in the number of fantasy VNs in recent years (a delayed reaction to the trends in manga, LNs, and anime... at least to my eye), I don't think this trend is going to last long enough to entrench itself, though I wish it would. That is because fantasy has reached saturation levels in the other otaku media, to the point where I'm pretty sure people are going to become sick of it soon. I seriously doubt that will lead to more SOL nostalgia booms though, because the era in which the current generation grew up in is far different from the one mine did. ... I do have a few nightmare scenarios running in the back of my head for the industry as a whole, but I won't inflict those on anyone else, since they are depressing as all hell. I also have some really optimistic ones. I won't share those either, since wishful thinking rarely comes true, lol.1 point -
What Anime are you watching now?
Plk_Lesiak reacted to ittaku for a topic
Edgy trash always gets the attention of uh... attention deficit teenagers. Never fear, this crap will be soon forgotten and anyone who tries to watch it in the years to come will rate it appropriately, as you have.1 point -
Read it now for its greatness, and later on get the JAST version to support the game's official release.1 point
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What are you playing?
Seraphim reacted to Mr Poltroon for a topic
The 'same team' only did two routes, Miyako's and another important one. All else was done by a different guy (possibly not very well, but the dialogue and events are so hysterical I didn't really notice any problems). It'd also be nice to support English releases, but that's an aside.1 point -
How do you guys feel about the JVN industry right now?
Happiness+ reacted to Zou for a topic
I agree with your statement. Young people nowadays have a wide variety of media to get distracted with, specially with mobile phones. I don't know how it is in Japan, but the PC market must be pretty niche still, and very young males will either have a crappy PC which they barely use or none at all. If they have a good one they use regularly, they'll mostly play western games via platforms such as Steam, since that's the best bay of using a powerful PC. As for grown ups, and this is my personal opinion, they'd probably get pretty bored playing a dumb slice of life moege with a highschool setting after maybe 8 or 9 hours at work. If I had that kind of lyfestile with pretty limited free time and a lot of cash to spend on, I'd always go for plotges, nakiges or chuuniges. Of course, I'd always find the time to play a good comedy slice of life eroge from time to time, but if they are not interesting to play then it'd feel like I'm wasting my time since I'm not enjoying any good story or well developed characters. This has been more of a logical explanation based off my knowledge of Japan and also my personal preferences, but that's why I think the O so powerful charage/slice of life genre is dying.1 point -
How do you guys feel about the JVN industry right now?
Happiness+ reacted to bakauchuujin for a topic
Couldn't this also have to do with saturation of the market rather than shifting consumer base? Moege and Charage usually don't have uniquie things to sell people on, because of this I think they have a large problem competing with older titles. It could be that there are just as many reading Moege and Charage today as before, but that they instead of buying new titles pick up older titles 2nd hand. With a plotge I think they tend to be more unique and have a wider variety of settings (not all being sett in high school for instance). Of course this is just speculations and you most likely have a much better grasp on the japanese VN market in general then I do, I just wanted to add my thoughts on another potential cause to the shift in which title that does well.1 point -
This is my impression of what the state the industry is in right now (some of this is repeated from previous posts I've made here on the forums). Just to get this out of the way, the VN industry (non-nukige) is currently in the process of contracting and changing priorities. The industry has long relied charage/moege to keep sales up, which has ironically led to most of the writing talent fleeing to other mediums. This wasn't really a problem until the last six years or so. Why has it become a problem? Because my generation in Japan has less money for spending on high school nostalgia than it did back in 2014. At the same time, the younger generation of otakus in Japan is far less interested in standard charage (high school situations, predictable romances, etc), so this means that the industry is not set up to compensate for the demographic changes in its consumer base. To be blunt, more and more VN consumers want something with an actual story. Unfortunately, due to the trends of the last decade, writers who can actually produce what they want are in short supply. As a result, the VN industry is contracting as companies find they can't replace the talent they abandoned during the charage boom as easily as they could the random ero-writers they've been using up until now. A few pieces of evidence (that don't involve hearsay). The relative number of plotge to charage made in the last two years (regardless of quality) has tipped toward plotge significantly... though most of those are of lower quality than in the pre-2015 years due to the aforementioned lack of talented writers. Navel and the other major names in particular are aggressively testing the waters, as is evidenced by their releases in the last few years (fewer FDs, more new IPs, resurrection of IPs with a differing atmosphere than previously seen, etc). A few hiccups: Overcompensation... the fondness of the younger generation for the consumption of escapist material has led to a string of low-quality fantasy VNs in the last couple of years (Digination being the source of many of them). This would normally be a good sign, but it is troubling that the new writing talent that is emerging isn't leaving much of an impression on someone who is as much of a fantasy addict as I am. The flow of money into these 'experimental' games (lol) has diverted funds that probably would have normally been pumped into charage developing, which has caused the actual number of non-nukige VNs released to fall overall. A key statistic drawn from my experiences over the past decade... Until the last two years, it was normal for 6 or more non-nukige VNs to be released each month on average. However, increasingly we are seeing months where only three or four releases are seen... and those releases differ significantly in nature from previous years (and are even spottier in quality).1 point
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How do you guys feel about the JVN industry right now?
AdventSign reacted to kokoro for a topic
As a console chad, I feel good. Not gonna lie.1 point -
* Sachi from Grisaia is an obvious pick. I just love her sensual voice and her NOT very subtle innuendos. * Yuzuyu from Fureraba. Yeah, she's a Tsundere, and an extremely verbally violent one at that. But all Tsunderes have their cute side. * Tamase from Muv-Luv series. She's about as DereDere as they come. She wears Neko accessories too. * Asahi from Sorcery Jokers. I absolutely adored her for her singing Christmas carols randomly. Not to mention her utter fearlessness.... * Mihiro from Wagamama High Spec. For an Oppai Loli, she's cute. Her theme song is also super cute. * "Ruuko" from To Heart 2. She's certainly unique, that's for sure. * Rise from Princess Evangile. I liked her random jealous skits. * Kirari from Kira*Kira. Ever wanted to see an adorable punk rocker girl who changes her hair pink? Well here you go. * Hikari from Under One Wing. Like Sachi, she's rather prone to sexual jokes too.1 point
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What Anime are you watching now?
ittaku reacted to Plk_Lesiak for a topic
I finished watching Happy Sugar Life and... I'm kind of puzzled how people can enjoy that. I mean, I read what people defending it claim, but I feel like they watched a completely different show. Calling it a psychological anime makes School Days looks like a PhD thesis in psychology. People call it a comedy, but I haven't seen a single trace of genuine humour or self-parody in it. It's not even outlandish or incompetent enough to be "so bad its good", it's just disgustingly stupid. Haven't seen something this alienating and obnoxious since Calamity of the Zombie Girl, which proudly sits as my only 1/10 on MAL. Happy Sugar Life had literally one somewhat believable character (Hida) who I was slightly disturbed to see murdered, thus it's a 2/10. Disgusting trash. Oh, and I guess it was some visual and sound gimmicks that could be considered marginally interesting if they were used for a better cause. Not good enough to deserve credit with how pathetic the actual substance of it all is.1 point -
Aiyoku no Eustia Translation Project (Partial Patch is Out!)
eplipswich reacted to The Striker for a topic
Waiting here too. I played this VN when only the first route was translated, and already loved (even without understanding almost all hahaha) so i will wait.1 point -
Aiyoku no Eustia Translation Project (Partial Patch is Out!)
eplipswich reacted to alpalin for a topic
i discovered this in 2018 and manage to not play any of it, waiting for complete patch good work so far and thank you1 point