Mr Poltroon Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Zidan209 said: So, i finally finished Makina's route in Grisaia no Kajitsu. Quite an interesting and enjoyable route, although, i had that feeling of unease during the h-scenes, wondering when will the loli police come for me. The endings were a bit confusing, though. Hide contents What's supposed to be the difference in them? And in the other bad endings, they didn't show me the ending credits with all the CGs, so does that mean that both of them are considered good ones? And in that case, i have no idea what could have happened to Yuuji when you choose to kill Makina's mother. IMO, the wounds he suffered weren't as fatal as the ones on the other path. And how would he die anyway? i thought he was pretty much invincible, lol. And what about Makina's child? The ending without Yuuji skipped only half a year, and she was pregnant, but on the other one, they skipped a whole year, but they didn't mention her child for some reason Spoiler As I can't be bothered to reread the sections, I don't remember why she was pregnant, though I'm sure it must have some sort of symbolic meaning. As for your other questions: In the ending where she was pregnant, Yuuji died. What Makina was talking to was a garbage bag with Yuuji's remains (or at least, that's implied). She even comments on nobody else being able to hear him. This ties back to her kidnapping and her dad's death, if you'll recall. The tree sapling is also dying. Haha. Killing your parents is a bad thing, no matter what. These endings may be slightly confusing as is, but they will make a bit more sense once you play other titles in the trilogy. Quote
Thyndd Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mr Poltroon said: Reveal hidden contents As I can't be bothered to reread the sections, I don't remember why she was pregnant, though I'm sure it must have some sort of symbolic meaning. As for your other questions: In the ending where she was pregnant, Yuuji died. What Makina was talking to was a garbage bag with Yuuji's remains (or at least, that's implied). She even comments on nobody else being able to hear him. This ties back to her kidnapping and her dad's death, if you'll recall. The tree sapling is also dying. Haha. Killing your parents is a bad thing, no matter what. These endings may be slightly confusing as is, but they will make a bit more sense once you play other titles in the trilogy. I would only agree if that statement came from "Killing another human being is a bad thing", "Your parents are human beings", therefore "Killing your parents is a bad thing". I don't see why a genetic relation should put a person over another, to be honest. But even then, death penalty is a controversial topic. I tend to be against it, but I'm really not sure if there could be situations where I would find it warrantable I'll just say that I don't regard death as a punishment, but as a permanent solution to a problem in some cases. As for Makina's endings: Yep, in the bad ending she's pregnant just because. It's more fucked up that way, isn't it? I've already said this before in this same thread when I was reading Grisaia and giving my two cents, but yeah, I'll repeat myself. I didn't like Makina's endings because the result was based more on "moral correctness" and "karma" than logical reasoning. Edited January 5, 2018 by Thyndd Dreamysyu 1 Quote
Mr Poltroon Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Thyndd said: I would only agree if that statement came from "Killing another human being is a bad thing", "Your parents are human beings", therefore "Killing your parents is a bad thing". I don't see why a genetic relation should put a person over another, to be honest. But even then, death penalty is a controversial topic. I tend to be against it, but I'm really not sure if there could be situations where I would find it warrantable I'll just say that I don't regard death as a punishment, but as a permanent solution to a problem in some cases. Spoilers for Labyrinth of Grisaia: Spoiler Annoyingly enough, I am quite convinced this ending is based on future titles more than on Fruit of Grisaia itself. It doesn't have as much to do with what's correct as it has to do with Yuuji's psyche and past. Killing his parent is the event that set Yuuji on his miserable path (worse off than he already was, possibly). It is the event that scarred him the most in his life and, if I recall correctly, was used by Asuko to set a 'limiter' on Yuuji -- it made him unable to kill a person. Killing Makina's mother breaks two of Yuuji's taboos: killing and, even worse, killing one's parent. Therefore, if he kills Makina's mother, he breaks and eventually we get a bad end. So... I guess this is foreshadowing more than anything? Thyndd 1 Quote
Thyndd Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr Poltroon said: Spoilers for Labyrinth of Grisaia: Hide contents Annoyingly enough, I am quite convinced this ending is based on future titles more than on Fruit of Grisaia itself. It doesn't have as much to do with what's correct as it has to do with Yuuji's psyche and past. Killing his parent is the event that set Yuuji on his miserable path (worse off than he already was, possibly). It is the event that scarred him the most in his life and, if I recall correctly, was used by Asuko to set a 'limiter' on Yuuji -- it made him unable to kill a person. Killing Makina's mother breaks two of Yuuji's taboos: killing and, even worse, killing one's parent. Therefore, if he kills Makina's mother, he breaks and eventually we get a bad end. So... I guess this is foreshadowing more than anything? I can see that. However I would still say that the bad ending you get in the story is arguably not due to Yuuji's mental breakdown. When you choose to kill her everything goes wrong for no apparent reason. If Yuuji's trauma was what they wanted to foreshadow, they could've done it differently (and in my opinion, better) by making him conspicuously unstable during his life with Makina. Quote
Zidan209 Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 I'll be reading Labyrinth of Grisaia later. I already have it prepared, though, but next up is Sharin no Kuni, Yuukyuu no Shounenshoujo. I'm really looking forward to this, as i'll get to know more about Houzuki Quote
bogdankl Posted January 6, 2018 Posted January 6, 2018 so after finishing refrain I thought the extra routes were just gonna be small addons like the side routes in majikoi, like 30 mins to of reading but after doing sasasasamis route I realized I was wrong... very wrong. Sasagawas route was pretty long and I have to say actually really well integrated into the overall story Spoiler I suspected they were gonna do it outside of the "fake" world but I did not think they were gonna make another one and the plot twist of the cat being the master of the world caught me so off guard, I was so sure sushimi was the one who made the world and the scenes of his dreams were her dreams, kinda how it was with the agave route in majikoi a few things of note tho, the music was way off in this one, I always felt the music did not match the atmosphere, goofy music playing at what I perceived as serious moments all the time, also adding new character "models" <idk what they are called> after reading like 60 hours of lb was kinda shocking, not to mention the new "models" for sasegawa do not feel like they fit in with the others, kinda like how in majikoi s the new "models" for koyuki felt awful I started saya's route and even tho I'm only 2 or 3 days in I gotta say I'm somewhat impressed at how they shook things up Quote
Canicheslayer Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 Finished Little Busters! English Edition. A great VN to start the year ! It's not as good as Clannad but It's clearly better than Air. 8,75/10. Route ranking : Rin 2+Refrain > Saya > Sasami > Kurugaya > Mio > Komari > Haruka > Kud > Futaki Note : Rin1 does not count Girl ranking : Kurugaya > Rin = Mio > Komari > Sasami = Saya > Haruka = Kud = Futaki + Kyousuke is cool. + The Secret of the world is not a joke. It is really solid and mysterious. + Saya's and Sasami's routes are a good follow-up to Refrain. + Each ending unlocks (a bit of) additional content in the common route + Memorable OST + A lot of alternative and/or bad ends - Riku is a bit bland in most of the routes. - Mini-games quickly become boring. - Futaki's route was a bad idea... - No real waifu for me Quote
Riku Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 Didn't play VN in months, and the last Grisaia's finally out, so I guess it's time to read a little. Kinda a pain to reread Kajitsu with how long it is, but it's been more than 4 years since then, so I have to. Hope it won't take too long if I read quickly without caring about the voices. Quote
Canicheslayer Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) Grisaia no Meikyuu. I already finished most of the short stories (plus the lewd scenes...the one with Makina's mother was...slightly disturbing ) and the Yumiko's After Story (it was fairly good...especially the ending ). Now I'm reading Michiru's AS. Spoiler Oh my ! I'm not a big fan of Michiru (and her voice irritates my eardrums). However her first H-scene is SUPER Hot Too bad the rest of this AS is meh...except the running gag witch the vase XD Edited January 8, 2018 by Canicheslayer Michiru’s AS finished ! Quote
Ranzo Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 Made a slight detour or well major detour actually and started up Nurse Love addiction and so far I'm having a enjoyable time for it. Asuka might be a absolute moron and a discount Milfeulle but she at least has some sense of self awareness and she can get into some funny antics. I'll probably end up gunning for Sakuya first Quote
littleshogun Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ranzo said: Made a slight detour or well major detour actually and started up Nurse Love addiction and so far I'm having a enjoyable time for it. Asuka might be a absolute moron and a discount Milfeulle but she at least has some sense of self awareness and she can get into some funny antics. I'll probably end up gunning for Sakuya first As for that, I would suggest you to clear any other route first other than Sakuya and leave her for last, because her route contained the biggest spoiler. If you didn't care about the spoiler, it's fine though. Oh, and the teacher route here was very different compared to the rest because her route didn't have much connection to the main story, so maybe you'll interested to finished her route first instead of Sakuya. Edited January 8, 2018 by littleshogun Quote
Thyndd Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 Starting Aiyoku no Eustia, which will be my first untranslated VN. It will probably take me ages to finish, but oh well Quote
Ranzo Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 3 hours ago, littleshogun said: As for that, I would suggest you to clear any other route first other than Sakuya and leave her for last, because her route contained the biggest spoiler. If you didn't care about the spoiler, it's fine though. Oh, and the teacher route here was very different compared to the rest because her route didn't have much connection to the main story, so maybe you'll interested to finished her route first instead of Sakuya. Yeah I kind of heard that as well. Which route would you suggest I play first aside from the teacher? Quote
MaggieROBOT Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Ranzo said: Yeah I kind of heard that as well. Which route would you suggest I play first aside from the teacher? For me, you should go Sensei > Nao > Itsuki > Sakuya. The thing is, Sensei's route is the only one that doesn't share a "true plot common route" that starts after the school festival and dumps all the mystery plot in your head. The remaining routes all branch after that part. Sensei's route is pure sol romance plot. It's pretty sweet, but it have absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the routes. Quote
AaronIsCrunchy Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 Just been reading Doki Doki Literature Club Spoiler ...and I probably won't finish it, at least not until the winter passes. I didn't go in completely blind - I heard it had a reputation of sorts and I couldn't resist - but I got to the 'second menu' and decided that was probably it for me. Gonna put some heavy spoilers in below. Spoiler Sayori's death was pretty heavy. I anticipated it, so it wasn't like 'oh my god she actually did it, the total madman', but the music change, the glitching, and importantly the unflinching way that it made you look at her was really kinda affecting - much more than I thought it would be. I didn't sleep all that well last night. With that in mind, I still want to finish it... sort of. I understand how much work has gone into the second part and some of the ideas, 'Easter eggs' and whatnot sound like they make for fascinating game mechanics - the file rearranging for example sounds amazing in the most terrifying way. And, because I read ahead for this sort of thing, I'm impressed with the degree of foreshadowing that went into part one. But I'm definitely gonna say, the themes explored are absolutely not for this time of year, at least not for me. Natsuki needs a hug so fucking badly. Dreamysyu and Plk_Lesiak 2 Quote
littleshogun Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, Ranzo said: Yeah I kind of heard that as well. Which route would you suggest I play first aside from the teacher? As for the first route other than the teacher, I would suggest you to just follow Maggie's order if only to increase the surprise there. Also he did explain enough in regard of Hakuai imo, so just like he said the teacher route was very different, or if I may very blunt it was just out there for Hakuai - not say it was a bad route though. Have fun. Edited January 9, 2018 by littleshogun Quote
The Subtle Doctor Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 Reading through The Fruit of Grisaia and really enjoying myself. The common route was so much fun; a total blast. I've completed Michiru's route, which was really pretty heartbreaking despite not divulging any details of the larger story. My heart was breaking for poor Michiru. I do have a quibble with how it came together in the end, which i will likely discuss in detail on a future podcast. Currently in progress on Yumiko's route. While I don't find it as emotionally gripping as Michiru's, this route is doling out a few details about the grander plot, which is very welcome. I really, really dig this game. Are the sequels as good as the original? Dreamysyu and DharmaFreedom 2 Quote
Mr Poltroon Posted January 9, 2018 Posted January 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, The Subtle Doctor said: Reading through The Fruit of Grisaia and really enjoying myself. The common route was so much fun; a total blast. I've completed Michiru's route, which was really pretty heartbreaking despite not divulging any details of the larger story. My heart was breaking for poor Michiru. I do have a quibble with how it came together in the end, which i will likely discuss in detail on a future podcast. Currently in progress on Yumiko's route. While I don't find it as emotionally gripping as Michiru's, this route is doling out a few details about the grander plot, which is very welcome. I really, really dig this game. Are the sequels as good as the original? They're different. The direct sequel, Labyrinth, offers after stories to each route, which should be enjoyable in much the same manner. The main story in this sequel, however, focuses on Yuuji, and should be enjoyable if you like the 'grander plot', as you call it. The final game in the trilogy, Eden, changes in tone a bit, but it's a great action story, basically. Direct continuation to Yuuji's story. I found them all to be great in their own ways. There are a number of side stories which have their own ups and downs. I can elaborate about those if you want. The Fruit of Grisaia is far longer than either of the sequels. Something to note. DharmaFreedom and The Subtle Doctor 2 Quote
Ranzo Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 So playing Nurse Love and having a grand ole time and then suddenly WHAT? WHAT? WHHHHAAAAAAATTTTTT? Plk_Lesiak 1 Quote
Mr Poltroon Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ranzo said: So playing Nurse Love and having a grand ole time and then suddenly WHAT? WHAT? WHHHHAAAAAAATTTTTT? Yeah. I hope you didn't go for a bad end or a route that spoils too much. Quote
onorub Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) Playing Himawari The Sunflower and Aries' route might have been the worst introductory route i've ever seen. I'm gonna keep going because the earlier bad endings make it seem like there is more to the plot than meets the eye, but as a self-contained story it was 30 minutes of interesting stuff and nearly 9 hours of insomnia-curing antics. Update: Finished it and i don't see the "kamige" here that everyone else does. Only thing that impressed me in the main story was Aqua's personality making the choices for her route harder. On the other hand, the "Another Episodes" were awesome because they had a lot more intrigue from the sci-fi side and if the whole VN was like that, i would have enjoyed it more. Edited January 12, 2018 by onorub Quote
DharmaFreedom Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, The Subtle Doctor said: I really, really dig this game. Are the sequels as good as the original? Kajitsu hooks you in, it's all about the girls, their unique backstories and the trauma that's 'broken' them in different ways. You read about who they are, and how Yuuji helps each of them using the tools he's learned about in his own life. Meikyuu's main storyline in a direct continuation, its focused on Yuuji, his past. The story gives his character even more depth, you'll start to realize the quirks and characteristics he displayed in Kajitsu weren't just due to his awkwardness in his new environment. You learn about the people that sculpted him into who he is. Devils and Gods. Also, Kusakabe Asako, I say again, KUSAKABE ASAKO [yeah i like her ]. They're a bunch of other great characters too, no worries. Rakuen is the Grand finale basically. I'm only 70% through but i can say that the pacing is great. Its gradual, calculated and consistent [drama, humour, character development and growth] with Kajitsu and Meikyuu. The characters, bgm, cgs, voice actors are all top notch. Honestly you can read these games back to back and it'll just seem like one HUGE story, they did a great job with the transition between the games. If you enjoyed Kajitsu, you'll enjoyed Meikyuu and Rakuen [I think]. You're lucky, since you don't have to wait for release dates . [Oh also, meikyuu also has a ton of skits, 5 after stories from kajitsu routes, random h-scenes allocated to its own section, and the grand route itself. Rakuen has a bunch of extras too]. Have fun reading the series mate, I know i am! [a lot, seriously, its beautiful stuff]. ps: KUSAKABE ASAKO, k i'm done . The Subtle Doctor 1 Quote
littleshogun Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 As for both of Meikyuu and Rakuen, I would like to call them just as fandiscs instead of the sequels because there's no canon route at Kajitsu VN. Of course it's okay though if you enjoy that as the sequel as well, so no problem. 4 hours ago, Ranzo said: So playing Nurse Love and having a grand ole time and then suddenly WHAT? WHAT? WHHHHAAAAAAATTTTTT? I pretty much had same thought when I did read the review for Hakuai, and coincidentally one picture contained that CG. Once again have fun. Quote
Ranzo Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 So I cleared lil' sis's route and that was really good but unexpected though it kind of seemed a little ludicrous at times This is an apt song for the route Quote
The Subtle Doctor Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 14 hours ago, DharmaFreedom said: Have fun reading the series mate, I know i am! [a lot, seriously, its beautiful stuff]. Absolutely! Like I said above, I plan on laying out my full and unfiltered thoughts in audio form after I'm done; however, I will continue to post updates here as I go along. Also: thanks to you and Mr Poltroon for providing detailed answers to my question! DharmaFreedom 1 Quote
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