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Alternate method of translating VNs
Tweek91330 and 2 others reacted to Fred the Barber for a topic
Pretty strongly disagree with that first line. Understanding grammar (particles and verb conjugations, especially, are deep wells) is essential to really grasping the meaning of most of what you'll read. Without those, yeah, you may know some of the actors and some of the actions and some of the descriptions, but you're often not going to be able to piece together what applies to what, and you're going to go off the rails often and not be able to appreciate a lot of what you're nominally reading. Like Toranth said, boning up on grammar is essential.3 points -
*This post contains no spoilers! Before starting this post, I suppose that I should give a brief introduction and summary for Subarashiki Hibi ~Furenzoku Sonzai (Our Wonderful Everyday ~Discontinuous Existence). However, Asceai in his review of the VN probably gave the best and most condensed summary for this fairly complicated story. So I will borrow his words: “Subarashiki Hibi is a story told in six chapters. The chapters are of varying lengths and structure, but for the most part, they cover the month of July 2012 from a number of different perspectives. The story begins in chapter #1, 'Down the Rabbit-Hole" on July 12, 2012. The protagonist; Minakami Yuki; lives a peaceful everyday life with Tsukasa and Kagami; her childhood friends; when one day she meets a mysterious girl, Takashima Zakuro (a girl in another class in Yuki's school, who seems to have met Yuki before but Yuki does not remember this). The next day, she learns that Takashima Zakuro has killed herself. Rumors in school are abuzz about predictions of the end of the world in 2012 - one of which is a Web site called the "Web Bot Project", a network of crawlers designed to harness the 'collective unconsciousness' to make predictions. A boy in Yuki's class named Mamiya Takuji stands up and makes an apocalyptic prediction, stating that the world will end on the 20th, and that Zakuro's death was the first sign. He speaks of an event he dubs "the Last Sky", where the world will be destroyed and reborn. The clock is ticking and more people die as the prophesied date draws closer and closer while Yuki attempts to get to the bottom of the identity of Mamiya Takuji, the Web Bot Project and the Last Sky.” Although this is a highly accurate plot summary of Suba Hibi that avoids spoilers, what a prospective reader of Suba Hibi should also know, is that the story is divided into two parts. The two parts are fundamentally interlinked, but are also kept separate. And it is this aspect of the visual novel that really defines it as a masterpiece. There is the part of the work that is a story, and then there is the part that is a philosophical work. Both parts are handled excellently well, and mix together in a fascinating and integral way. Simply, these chapters: Down the Rabbit Hole 2, It's My Own Invention, Looking-Glass Insects, Jabberwocky, Which Dreamed it, Jabberwocky 2, and the first two epilogues are a complete story. The VN very well could have been just these parts, and it would have been a damn good work of art. And yet, the visual novel is not just these parts. Down the Rabbit Hole 1, End Sky 2, and all the scenes with Ayana throughout all the chapters are included as well. And by virtue of just being there, it forces the reader to question why? These parts add nothing to the actual narrative of the story, and yet it is these parts that mark the very start and the very end of the story. With a mysterious girl named Ayana showing up periodically throughout the story to remind us not to get too caught up in the events of the story. That while the narrative part of the story is fascinating, and very easy to get lost in. There is a whole deeper layer to everything going on that we will only get a clue of at the very end. Down the Rabbit-Hole 1, which I will refer to as Chapter 0, gets a lot of flak for being considered a weak start to an otherwise excellent story. And although Down the Rabbit-Hole 1 does have a fair bit of fluff, it is an absolutely integral part of the story. As an introduction, Chapter 0 has the role of establishing what kind of mind set the reader should approach this story with. And it is for this reason that Chapter 0 is so important. Suba Hibi is a philosophical work above all else. Upon finishing this story, you get the feeling that Sca-ji (the primary creator) wanted to write a philosophical thesis of his own, but then decided to create a whole visual novel instead. And I'm so glad he chose that route. By using fiction to express these concepts, and forcing the reader to see the story not as a story but as a world of its own, it gets us to see the relevance of said philosophies. The whole story is essentially there to create a conversation about various philosophical topics, with solipsism being one of the big ones. This is what Chapter 0 exists for, to get the reader to understand that the events we will see unfold as the actual story progresses is not meant to be just mere entertainment (and oh boy is it a thrill ride), but to keep in mind that there is even deeper subtext to everything going on. Takashima Zakuro, the girl whose suicide is the triggering point, or perhaps even the direct cause of all the events that follow, plays an entirely different role in Chapter 0. With the exclusion of this chapter, she is a normal character and even the primary protagonist of the Looking Glass-Insect chapter. But in Chapter 0, she has the role of being a character that knows what is going on. A role that she shares only with Otonashi Ayana (except that Ayana retains that role throughout the entire duration of the story, not just in Chapter 0 as is Zakuro's case). When reading Chapter 0, we are told and even see some interesting and cryptic things, but have no way of piecing those things together. Thereby giving you enough information to be curious about the under workings of everything that is going on, but with no means of figuring that out yourself without continuing into the proverbial “Rabbit Hole”. It is for that reason that Suba Hibi is first and foremost a philosophical work, because above all else our purpose is to try to figure out what is going on. And once the story really gets rolling in Down the Rabbit-Hole 2, we experience the main events from a myriad of unreliable perspectives. Meaning that trying to figure out what is going on is less like a puzzle as would be in a typical mystery, but more about determining what makes the most sense from the scrambled information we get. In fact, without giving any major spoilers, it is made quite clear at the very end of the story that interpreting the story is the only solution we have, meaning that everything isn't laid out clearly by the end. Which once again, adds significance to Chapter 0. Upon finishing Suba Hibi (meaning reading End Sky 2), you will want to reread Chapter 0 since now we as readers will no longer be in Minakami Yuki's shoes as we were the first time. Throughout the whole first reading of the story, Chapter 0 was nothing but a source of questions. Upon the second time, it is our source for answers. We have the necessary knowledge to be sharing the table with Takashima Zakuro and Ayana, since this time around, like them we will also know what is going on. When Zakuro and Ayana spoke to Yuki in our first reading, it felt like the two characters with any sort knowledge of what was really going on were keeping us in the dark. They would give subtle clues, but those clues were useless at that time. In the second reading of chapter 0, as readers we are equals in knowledge to Ayana and Zakuro and can finally make use of those clues. And the VN understands this. In fact, Ayana first introduces herself in Chapter 0 by saying “It's been a while”, addressing herself not to Yuki, but to the audience. The true meaning of this remark is very apparent to a second time reader, and instantly reminds you of the conversation you had with Ayana in End Sky 2.Although in a first reading, you probably will easily disregarded this, thinking that Ayana and Yuki briefly met before, and that Yuki simply doesn't remember. And it is here where the role that Ayana and Zakuro play differ in Chapter 0. (Here is an upload of that entire first encounter with Ayana in Down the Rabbit Hole 1, English subtitles are available) When Zakuro speaks, she is speaking to Yuki the character, not us the audience. Ayana however, really speaks directly to us, the audience (in all the chapters of this story), and that “it's been a while” (久しぶり) is essentially proof of that. As you progress in the story and work through the other chapters, Takashima's role is quite different from Chapter 0's, and she is much more ignorant compared to her chapter 0 self. Ayana however, no matter what chapter you read (and therefore which character's perspective you are seeing), is the exact same. In a story so filled with inconsistency, she is always the one consistent factor. Which goes back to my first point, just as Chapter 0 and End Sky2 are separate from the main story, so is Otonashi Ayana. Suba Hibi is not a simple story, and it is not meant to be only enjoyed for its emotional highs and lows; it's strange beginning makes that clear. Furthermore, during the process of reading, in case you ever forget that, Ayana is always there to remind you of that fact. Especially with the appearances she makes near the climax of the story in various chapters. But perhaps what I love most is the use of perspective. Returning to a previous point, in your first reading of Chapter 0 you will naturally orient your own perspective with Yuki's since all the information we receive in that chapter is from her. In fact, the whole story is told from the first person perspective of various unreliable narrators. And in every chapter we will identify our understanding of things from that character's point of view. But by the second reading of the story, because we have a complete picture of everything, there is a dichotomy between the reader, and the protagonist's narration. An artificial feeling that we are in a third perspective emerges. Because at this point we can balance what the protagonist perceives, with an objective understanding. Which causes us to identify with out own (third person) perspective of the story, rather than submitting to the protagonist's point of view. The more the reader develops their own personal perspective of things, the more they can relate to Ayana. The one character whose role is simply to be an objective observer. In a first reading, conversations with Ayana seem like she is teasing the reader for how little they actually know of what is going on. But this is because in a first reading, we identify with whichever protagonist's perspective we are seeing. Ayana is teasing us the reader by teasing the character she is talking to. The more we identify with the character's point of view, the more annoying and weird Ayana seems. But the more we identify with our own perspective (meaning by having read everything already), the more Ayana feels like an equal talking to us. Since just like the reader, she is the only other objective perspective on everything. In fact, this brings us back to the fact that unlike a book, where a first person narrative is without dispute a first person narrative. This is a visual novel, with choices. Even with all the information presented to us is in first person, it is by nature of its medium a third person experience since we dictate the story at certain key points. And Ayana is there to remind us that we like her, are experiencing things from an objective point of view.2 points
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Hair Tropes in Visual Novels
akaritan and one other reacted to BunnyAdvocate for a topic
Have you ever wondered what a character's hair style tells you about their identity? I did a little stats analysis using vndb to find out: https://bunnyadvocate.tumblr.com/post/161292880097/hair-tropes-in-japanese-media There's nothing too surprising in here, but I thought it was fun to examine~2 points -
Dies irae is delayed, so let's play the release date guessing game!
Zalor and one other reacted to WinterfuryZX for a topic
dies irae - july 2017 muvluv-alt - october 2017 subahibi - december 20172 points -
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Libra of the Vampire Princess - Releasing May 16th, 2017
zander1995 and one other reacted to XReaper for a topic
this goddamn-ish mentality of yours is exactly what´s keeping companies such as mikandi jp to appear on stage, ultimately fucking up people´s hopes and expectations. you seriously don´t want to get it, do you? like if this (libra etc) was an unofficial translation of sorts, like if some retards suddenly decided on doing stuff they had no single clue about, like them stubbornly ignoring all goodwill-ish feedback in the process of creating an abomination you could either read(?), or refuse doing so, because well, it´d be an unoffical one, so fuck it. but in the case of libra it´s fundamentically different - licensing costs & whatnot probably at a minimum due to them being all lovey-dovey with xero - still got an impressive sum of little over 180k out of the kickstarter campaign of theirs - having put quite some reccources into propaganda and avertisement - unless all funds were spend on drinking finest shochu and whoring around with schoolgirls, there should´ve definitely been enough left for hiring themselves some competent staff - & lastly let´s please not forget one of the claims they did make: "XERO has partnered with MiKandi Japan to complete this giant task. Together we are working with the original writers, and programmers to deliver a superbly translated game" so yo, from a customers point of view this sure is sth to feel angry about, even more so if he/she happened to back the aforementioned campaign, which as things stand now was build on lies and utterly false assurances. not even remotely wanting to mention the bad turn they´ve done to each and every smaller-ish publisher who´s trying to somehow get by when doing kickstarters. edit: and just to be clear, this has so fuckingly nothing to do with being able to read moonrunes or not, because if you´re calling yourself a professional, yet keep on delivering one hell of a garbled mess, getting condemned should be expected. simple as that.2 points -
Winged Cloud Announces ‘Sakura Sellout’
Infernoplex and one other reacted to Narcosis for a topic
I think they already sold their souls, so there's not much left to sell2 points -
I just reached Luka's ending in Steins;Gate. I think, with each ending reached, I'm beginning to respect these conclusions more than the original True End. They are all very well-written resolutions that felt satisfying rather than without a proper pay-off. It's little wonder why a lot of people encourage others to read the VN even if they have seen the anime, because there's a lot of life lessons and values you can take from these endings you'll not see outside of the anime.2 points
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Hey there!
Dergonu and one other reacted to Darklord Rooke for a topic
Google translate is notoriously unreliable. Allow me: Asonn: "Your avatar looks delicious! Wouldn't even need much, lightly fried with maybe a small amount of salt and pepper." Zakamutt: "By Merlin's suspiciously sticky pants, not more salt! There's enough salt floating around Fuwa already. I recommend grabbing the rodent while it's still alive and just swallowing it whole." This accurate translation service is brought to you by Rooke. Also welcome to Fuwa2 points -
every time someone posts an anime maru article seeming like they did not realize its true nature, I die a little more inside. I have precious little left. I suppose it helps me fit in with everyone else. Meow.2 points
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Libra of the Vampire Princess - Releasing May 16th, 2017
Infernoplex and one other reacted to Mr Poltroon for a topic
There are panties in the UI so all your complaints have been nullified.2 points -
Dies irae is delayed, so let's play the release date guessing game!
Infernoplex reacted to Decay for a topic
Surprise! Dies irae is delayed! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1986219362/dies-irae-english-localization-project-commences/posts/1899216?ref=backer_project_update The folks on the Dies irae team maintained that there would be a May 31st release all the way until just a few minutes ago, when they announced a sudden last-minute delay to some time "this week." Reading Steiner is on twitter making it sound like this will be a super short delay. We all know how light operates by this point, though. So place your bets! Will light actually make their revised release estimate? Will Dies irae actually release this week? Or will light find a way to fuck up spectacularly? Will it even come out this year?? Who knows! Crazier things have happened. Isn't this exciting? It's probably better than playing the game itself! Thanks, light!1 point -
There have been best VN guy and best VN girl contests on /r/visualnovels. I've surprised there hasn't been just a general best visual Novel contest. I want to include as many major VN communities as I can with voting so I wanted to make sure to run it by this forum. I won't spam the forum with topics/posts with this contest I promise. I'm mostly gonna follow the format done with previous bracket contests. Some ground rules: * If an entrant has a vndb page (v+number URL), it is considered eligible for this contest * In the nomination form, please put the v+the number from the vndb link of the VN you want to nominate (e.g. "v5" nominates Little Busters) * With that said we once nomination voting starts we're actually going to merge most series together into one entrant each. So stuff like Muv-Luv+Muv-Luv Alternative are together, Umineko+Chiru will be together, Ace Attorney will be together, DanganRonpa will be together, MajiKoi original+S+A, Fate/Stay+Hollow, all parts of Baldr Sky etc. Nominate all parts you think are worthy enough to be included in the series and we'll fit em in. * General exceptions are where series may have similar names or in the same universe but have wildly different characters/stories. For example the Infinity series (Never7, Ever17, Remember11) would all be separate, Chaos; series + Steins; series + Robotics; series would all be separate, Grisaia trilogy and Phantom Trigger are separate, etc. * If you think any particular series should be merged together or kept separate, please leave a comment in this topic. * Don't worry about nominating untranslated VNs or otomes or BL or nukiges or heavy gameplay VNs that are usually seen as JRPGs/Fighting Games. All of those are allowed as they are on vndb! * Even if a single visual novel has had multiple releases/expansions we'll be nominating based on its VN page not any release page (so all Go Go Nippon and Clannad releases would each be nominated as v7316 and v4 respectively). * Feel free to submit a vote form multiple times to nominate more than 15 visual novels. I just used 15 as an arbitrary number so the form doesn't get too big. All currently nominated visual novels will be kept track in a Google Document here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G3Rt5Rr1Zj9dhjoxb2wVUisqiuplnqP8ZX5zvtKwee4/edit To nominate visual novels for the best Visual Novel contest, click Here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdzKWQoSGBN1r9eWQvzjmeE_ObLGujEqdYELGnz_YttJPflSA/viewform?usp=sf_link The next round of nomination voting will be... sometime in a few days or so.1 point
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From r/visualnovels' discord: (ReadingSteiner is one of the translators btw)1 point
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Dies irae is delayed, so let's play the release date guessing game!
DharmaFreedom reacted to Yuuko for a topic
It might actually be 3 now. Common route is free + 2 paid parts for the routes.1 point -
Because it's enormous game and cost would be enormous. Like 60$, which looks terryfying, from marketing standpoint. But two parts, 29.99$ each, looks nice and pleasant.1 point
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Dies irae is delayed, so let's play the release date guessing game!
DharmaFreedom reacted to Dergonu for a topic
The patch should only add H. Amantes does censor both gore and writing in the Japanese release, but the English version of Amantes won't. These parts will be restored, and so the all-ages version should only lack the H, and nothing more. That being said, the H patched version will keep all the new amantes content, so in that regard, the patched game will be the most complete version, as it will also have the H on top of everything else.1 point -
Dies irae is delayed, so let's play the release date guessing game!
DharmaFreedom reacted to Baldur for a topic
The 18+ patch is just an append disk, created only for the Western release. I don't think you'll lose something other than H.1 point -
Feels to me like a Cyclet/late Black Cyc title with higher budget, though I'm only like 20% in so far. Starts to get a little bit repetitive, but I hope it's intended and will be twisted soon. It's pretty meta at times and I feel the game expects the reader to think in eroge tropes just to revert them later on. I like the writer, I always had the feeling he could do more if he was allowed, but there was always something holding him back. Like for example, that the games he wrote for had to be low budget short fetish nukige lol. The writing of ChronoBox is good, it's also fast-paced which is what I like but that also means there is not much time to develop the huge cast naturally. Every scene in itself is well-written, but the work as a whole seems awfully close to a nukige in how it handles characters and story progression. ChronoBox kinda reminds me of Sukui no Serenade and while I like both games so far (as dark nukige), I think Sukui was better at hiding that it's essentially really just a nice-looking fapge.1 point
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I'm guessing Autumn 2018, since I find hard to belive at it would get release this week or next week1 point
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Fan Translator Skills Registration
Arcadeotic reacted to Matangi for a topic
1) Handle: Matangi 2) Positions you can fill: Editor, Proofreader, QC/Testing 3) Types of projects (VNs) preferred: Moege, BL, Otome, Short Nukiges, I have no preference tbh 4) Availability (edit this one as you get involved in projects): Available 5) VNs most interested in producing an ftl for: Kujiragami no Tearstilla, Angel Game, Floral Flowlove 6) Motivation for joining in on ftl: Wanting to contribute to the community and to hone my skills 7) Conditions* (any additional conditions, under which you will or won't work): No extreme/dark sexual content (Guro, rape, etc.), communication is key, school might hamper on my progress1 point -
Hey there!
roastedmushroom reacted to littleshogun for a topic
Welcome to Fuwanovel, and by the way your avatar was quite good imo (Cute rabbit there). By the way, if you need new VN to play you could ask us and hope you have fun here.1 point -
Fate/Grand Order
seventhfonist425 reacted to Flutterz for a topic
Ibaraki raid rerun starting tomorrow http://news.fate-go.jp/2017/rashomon/ They're also adding the ability to fou servants up to +2000 with special 4* fou cards, time for more powercreep Oh, and this time around you can get wiped and any damage you did still counts Oh x2, Memu works again, you just need a modified emulator and it runs the regular apk1 point -
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roastedmushroom reacted to Fred the Barber for a topic
It's internally consistent, so it must be correct. Has my editor's stamp of approval. Also, welcome to Fuwa, mushrabbit.1 point -
Hey there!
Zakamutt reacted to roastedmushroom for a topic
Thanks, everyone for the warm welcome! What's with the Japanese? I'd to run it through Google Translate! @Zakamutt Yep I'm going to have to change my avatar and signature... too scary. Guess people get scared.1 point -
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roastedmushroom reacted to DarkZedge for a topic
Welcome to Fuwa, hope you enjoy yourself1 point -
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roastedmushroom reacted to Zakamutt for a topic
フワノベルへよこそ! どうぞよろしくだにゃ~ 正直にアバターは余り好きじゃない、暴力的過ぎ1 point -
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Fuwa VN Reading Club: April - Deardrops
Fred the Barber reacted to littleshogun for a topic
Finished Riho's route, and let's just said that it was right that people call it as the main route of Deardrops because the focus was not only to Riho herself, but to the band as well. It's quite long as well by the way and it's definitely had the most epic moments here, although there's some down though. As for my overall impression, I think for now I favored Deardrops over Kira Kira although just slightly here. The reason was because the main route itselves, which back at Kira Kira I'd found that it was quite lacking in regard of relationship between Kirari and Shikanosuke (By the way, Kirari made a cameo here). Other than that, I think both of those two were good music VNs.1 point -
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Libra of the Vampire Princess - Releasing May 16th, 2017
Infernoplex reacted to Dergonu for a topic
TLnote: Pantsu means panties.1 point -
Interactive Text Hooker Updater Connecting to interactive-text-hooker.googlecode.com... GET /svn/project/ITH3/Release/index.xml HTTP/1.1 Host: interactive-text-hooker.googlecode.com Connection: keep-alive User-Agent: ITH 3.0 If-Modified-Since: * HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Length: 1595 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 03:35:21 GMT Alt-Svc: quic=":443"; ma=2592000; v="36,35,34,33,32" What did I do wrong?1 point