john 'mr. customer' smith

same with me i wouldn't call the feeling afterwards sadness though, more like emptiness. like you've just been drained of all emotion, which you kind of have been

but back on topic for a moment, what do you think makes the difference between a nakige and just a sad story? what is the thing that makes them able to cross that line where you burst into tears? i've never been sure

i never feel like i can just do whatever i want in a vn. i play skyrim for that

yeah, that bit was amazing also, that's kind of what i based my name on not me, i play them because i see them as better books i'm ok with choices that are just there to enable different routes with different endings, but i prefer it if there's just one per ending. a lot of choices just confuse me and feel like a pointless attempt to make you feel involved. i always use walkthroughs but yes, i do know that's why a lot of people read them and that's fine by me

confession: i actually hate choices in all vns so far except for saya no uta

other way round? also, i'm kind of interested to hear if anyone has had any experiences similar to what i said about anime versus VN

yeah, i've heard people mention it in that context as well, but i had no idea it was based off a vn. i might look into it at some point there's an odd thing i have with anime vs VN. in kanon, i only read one route (shiori), which made me cry like a toddler, and then i watched the anime for the rest of the story, and it didn't cost me a single tear. i would mostly put it down to pacing, but i'm still not quite sure why

to me, a story getting you beyond the sob-point is the ultimate reward. i haven't read a lot of them yet though, i'd be kind of interested to try a good one that isn't made by key

i have read nowhere near enough to make a decent top 5, so feel free to do with it whatever you like 1. planetarian (surprise, isn't it) 2. saya no uta 3. clannad 4. narcissu 1st 5. that was all the great (9+) ones, so i'll have to say imouto paradise because it's just great porn good luck with that list though, nice idea

i see, well i think a lot of people took that the wrong way, as in interpreting it as 'change', whereas you meant 'diversify' i still don't think you should have reacted to that so negatively though, i think they were offended by how harsh you were about the current state of vns in the west i don't actually think the majority of this community is narrow minded, i just think this discussion started wrong, with people acting (perhaps unjustly) defensively and you interpreting that as narrow-mindedness. perhaps you could start over with a new thread, and this time actually calling it 'come up with new vn ideas'. also, i know i keep repeating myself, but please try to talk more positively, i'm sure you'll find us acting much more open-mindedly if you do. i hope i'm still making sense here

can you tell me, then, what you actually want to achieve specifically within this forum? i don't understand what you're saying here, is this a comment about fuwa's lack of success in its premise? first page of what? this forum isn't just a first page, it's what you get when you, for example, type into google: 'top 50 vns', stuff like that. it's a place to get information, preferably positive. how has it done that horribly?

@Lumariai give up. you're right. i really think you are. just allow me to give you some honest advice if your intention is to change people's minds, then getting rid of narrow-minded people this way seems a bit ironic. i do think there are ways to approach these people. maybe you could try summarizing your opinions from a more positive perspective by, for example, writing an article about the strengths and potentials of the vn medium as you define it. i think that could change more minds than simply ranting about what's wrong and how things should be, no offense meant and another thing, i don't think your interpretation of the motto: 'make visual novels popular in the west' is entirely justified. i imagine (someone back me up here) that fuwa was formed not primarily to actively increase popularity of visual novels, but more to simply create a positive environment where people randomly introduced to, interested in and/or uncertain about vns could go to find out more, and i think it does that very well good luck

sometimes there is no authentic stuff available. i've had to have a planetarian poster printed from an image i found online, simply because nothing is made for it anymore

i know that's the point. you think that a selfish, 'i just like cute catgirls' mentality is bad and want to plant the suggestion that we should be more open to new ideas and see this medium as something more and something broader than we do currently as i said, and even if i'm not completely accurate with that summary, that's a noble goal, but i've seen you make plenty of comments that i'm pretty sure have hurt the people you directed them at. that's not the way to change people's minds, is all i'm saying

look, i think i understand what you're trying to achieve with this discussion and that's very noble and all but it doesn't give you the right to defame people with opinions like they have, with statements like this. just saying

so what? you keep saying things like this but are you trying to say that having an otaku mindset somehow makes you less worthy of participating in a discussion?

congrats, filthy spammer equally awesome person!

true. it's a nice platform though.

the netherlands (just in case someone didn't get the pun)

i don't know why, but i suddenly have this urge to eat a banana

haven't seen surprised yet embedding doesn't work for some reason http://imgur.com/cvgfZH5

kotonoha no niwa also, fuck anime, have some transistor btw, pretty sure it's spelled 'scenery'

those photographic backgrounds with those really heavy filters over them to make them look as if they're drawn

generic happy endings also, i love it when either participant says 'my mind is going blank'

well, you do call yourself salty, don't you?