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Haha, sounds kinda scary. Hey, I honestly believe SAW is brilliant though. Not the messed up part, but the story. I could derail this and rant about SAW for hours, but I´ll stop myself from doing that xD

**** Edit: After having played a good amount of this game I gotta say, its really good. Its psychologically scarring as all hell, but its good. To answer my own question, it is by no means just "messed up stuff," and I see why people were excited for the english release. ( That being said, it is for sure NOT for everyone. Like I mentioned, its psychologically scarring... And at times, disgusting.) **** So I have no experience playing games like ... well, like this. I just found out about this game the other day and thought it looked highly disturbing. But after looking around it seemed a lot of people were very excited about the English release, and I just have to ask... Is this a good game with a lot of .. Ahem, messed up stuff on the side, or is it 99% just messed up torture ... things and no story? I´m a fan of things like SAW, ( not that its a VN) which has a lot of gruesome things in it, but where the story is brilliant. And I´ve gotten used to the fact that VNs often come with slightly disturbing stuff in their H-Scenes depending on what kind of game you play but .. Is this something you would recommend for people who kind of need a good story or at least an interesting / good setting? Kinda felt like asking cuz there aren't that many translated VNs that people seem uber excited about so it kinda made me curious.

Second this, its really amazing.

Dear lord... really?! REALLY?! Why do they keep making these things xD

Ahh dear this game's choice and route system is confusing the hell out of me xD I'm using the walkthrough from this site, and I have a question. Is there romantic routes for more than one girl, or is one of them the only romantic interest? I was looking over the guide and saw an old guy and a bunch of dudes in there so I doubt they are all romantic routes. Kinda confuses me. Please, minimal spoilers. Basically just wondering if there is more than one potential romantic route.

Made me look up this game... The summary had me rather ... Uhh, weirded out. Looked up some CG. Cant... unsee...

Damn, it actually did release with a discount! Thank you Sekai Project! My wallet is already half dead from buying like 4 VNs this month, so that saved me. (The sad thing is though, the extra money will go into energy drinks to keep me going while I read. sigh... )

No, this should be meant to appeal to much wider audience. The majority of VN fans interested in Clannad have already read it with the previous, shitty TL years ago, and the most dedicated ones backed in on KS. Not many of them will buy it, not for this price at least. Western release of a huge, popular, all-ages VNs is simply perfect for expanding the VN fanbase on the West. That's what Sekai Project tries to do all the time, by censoring stuff and throwing it on Steam (actually, I'd say that's their only goal, since they aren't trying to appeal to the core VN-fans all that much...). Such price certainly won't help - people will choose buy 2 Sakura titles (or a shitty AAA game) instead of Clannad, regardless of an absolutely indescribable difference in quality. 50$ for a VN definitely could be a very fair price. Like I said, I consider most of the titles sold on the West to be very cheap, and I'm always defending those prices when people are complaining. However... In this case, a digital copy of a very old VN where some of the localization costs were already covered with >500 000$ from KS, is actually more expensive than in Japan (comparing it to either PC version or the PS3 one with better resolution). No matter how I look at this, something is seriously wrong here. Alright fair enough, that does make a lot of sense. Still though, I believe that the length of the game will be quite tough for a beginner to get into, and the price really wont change that fact at all. Yes, its likely that they would be more inclined to buy it, but they probably still wont finish it and that might even spur more negativety around the game, "too long, too boring!" etc. When it comes to spreading visual novels to new readers who previously havent touched a VN before, there are a lot of different titles that should be considered for that, that are signifigantly shorter than Clannad. Also, honestly, I don't think the price is what really would drive people away from a title. If you have heard just how amazing a visual novel is and you really want to get into it, the price really shouldn't stop you. Like, if we consider new titles being released for newer consoles, they usually go for above 50$. Yes, visual novels are less of a game and more of a book, and so its not quite fair to compare it to something like battlefront III, but still, people are used to paying MORE for their titles, so it so it shouldnt be that big of a shock for them to be honest.

But that's precisely the problem with Japanese visual novels in the West: the market is super niche. If you can't appeal to a wider audience, you're bound to not sell very well, and this could potentially make developers like Key back off from localizations. well, if they try too hard to appeal to people who doesnt really enjoy reading In general, and who prefer fast gameplay etc. It will have a negative effect on the people VNs are originally supposed to appeal to. You simply cant please everyone. That's not the issue here or what I'm trying to argue. I'm saying that if you want people who don't know visual novels at all to experience them, and possibly become visual novel fans themselves and help the market grow, price points this will mostly have adverse effects. now that is probably true, but that really isnt their intention as of right now I would think. For people just getting into VNs, a long and time consuming project like Clannad probably isnt the best place to start. My friend just got into VNs, and he is having trouble getting through if my heart had wings, which is in the same genre, but significantly shorter. but you raise a good point there. There should be more cheap options available, though Clannad probably isnt the VN to achieve that with, considering its length and hefty translation time. Sorry if my comments seem kinda scrambled, I'm on 3G net on my Iphone atm.

But that's precisely the problem with Japanese visual novels in the West: the market is super niche. If you can't appeal to a wider audience, you're bound to not sell very well, and this could potentially make developers like Key back off from localizations. well, if they try too hard to appeal to people who doesnt really enjoy reading In general, and who prefer fast gameplay etc. It will have a negative effect on the people VNs are originally supposed to appeal to. You simply cant please everyone.

this is not really meant to appeal to average gamers though... If you dont like the genre then its not suprising that you dont want to buy the game. This is meant to appeal to western VN fans, new or old.

Totally agree. The price is fair. Especially considering if we westerners want untranslated VNs we have to pay out like 80-100$+, due to the third party shipping costs. Honestly, 50$ is more than fair. Especially because of how big this project has been. Cant wait for it to release!

haha xD Hey I've been doing school work thats due in like 3 weeks, just so I have time to no life read this thing. Havent seen a teacher as shocked as when I asked "Can I have next weeks homework in advance so I can finnish it this weekend?"

So with the release of Clannad just a few days away I´ve been rushing through my current to do list so my schedule is clear for when it drops. I´m so hyped for this. I´ve personally never read or watched Clannad before, so I´m really looking forward to it. What about you guys? For those who has already read it, are you planning on reading it again? What are you guys most hyped for? (Please use spoiler tags if needed) Found this interview with the Sekai Project team if you haven't read it yet: http://kazamatsuri.org/kazamatsuri-community-interviews-sekai-projects-clannad-team/

Amen. This thread got way out of hand, but supplied me with something entertaining to read in a boring history class.

Whoa! You should play the bad endings. No need to re-play it, just go back to the last choice and choose the other option. The bad endings are rather short, and worth it. Amane´s route actually has plot that you dont get to see unless you play the bad ending. Yumiko´s has a … rather special case as well for the "bad" ending. Sachi, Michiru and Makina will just leave you emotionally damaged though. No real need to play those unless you want to be emotionally damaged I guess. I agree that he should go back and read the bad endings, but I have to disagree with you about them all being good. Sachi's actually made me laugh with how bad and nonsensical it was (this is coming from a Sachifag), and Michiru's felt really abrupt and didn't make much sense to me, even though it was, admittedly, quite sad. Yumiko's was meh, for the very reason it can be called "special". Makina's and Amane's bad ends, though, were great and well worth the couple minutes it took to read through them. Makina's was delightfully dark with a minor twist that left my jaw dropped, and Amane's made me tear up a bit. That CG set and the lines of that scene are still pretty well ingrained in my memory. Yeah I didnt say they are all good. I personally think Yumiko's and Amane is the good ones, then the other 3, like I said, left me emotionally damaged. Cant say I enjoy that. The sachi one was seriously just ... What the actual fu..?! The Michiru one actually felt a litte more like it could have happened though, which in turn made it feel more "real". Cant say it was good, but it felt a lot more "scary" knowing that this actually could have happened knowing how michiru was at that point in the story.

Damn, this made me choke on my coffee xD

This is not it being censored, this is Japanese laws. Completely different. Censored in this case means the H-Scenes are literally not there. They are removed. If we are going by the literal definition of the word, content being removed from the game in order to not show a part of it to a certain audience is censorship. And so, it is censored. The mosaics however, are usually, (not all the time), added to H-Scenes due to Japanese laws when releasing H-content. And seeing as that then means its the original version of the game, nothing has in fact been censored. No one asks "why". Image is censored, this is a fact. Why you tell "not being censored"? No matter what way it was done - first drawing a penis and after putting mosaic or putting mosaic on empty space - fact is that image itself was censored. Google, if you do not understand word "censored"... Not gonna get into an argument, its all there in my first comments Just read it again for my reply. Its censored, but its not. (Sounds kind of philosophical, doesn't it?)

Ahh, yeah that might be it. Well, I guess I'll have to wait for an official reply from them then. Thanks for posting that.

Hmm, lets see. I've tried using: Safari, Firefox and internet explorer, across 3 different computers. Same thing happens on all of them. I've restarted my browser and computer and it had no change. 1 computer was running windows 7, the other 2 ran 8.1. I'm not entierly certain how I would check if Java script and cookies are enabled.

EDIT 2: The problem has been fixed. (That took like, 12 hours. They work fast!) EDIT: For anyone else in the same situation, I just got a reply from MangaGamer; ( To sum up, they are working on it and we just have to wait for them to fix it. ) " Hello Andreas. Thank you very much for contacting us. We are currently experiencing some technical issues with our website. Management has been made aware of the issue, and the problem is currently being identified and corrected by our website development team. We do not yet have an ETA for when the issue will be resolved, but we will email you immediately once the website is fully operational. We greatly apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Best Regards, MangaGamer Staff" Uh, actually I know there already is a thread asking basically the same thing as me, but I'm making a new one because I have one more question that wasnt answered in that thread. Anyways, on with the questions: So I went to buy a new VN on MangaGamer today, but after the purchase my account page is suddenly ... glitched or something. I can no longer manage and download my games. The page says that they are there, but I cant see them or download them. I've sent an email to their support mail, does anyone know generally how long it takes for them to reply? (This is how my account page looks): (Basically, its blank. It says the products are there, but I cant see them anymore.) Does anyone know a way to fix this? I couldnt find any information about it on their support site, and I cant make an accuount on their forum to ask a question untill a moderator accepts my account creation (kind of a dumb system if you ask me.)

No no, of course not. That was not what I mean either. What I mean that in the case of this thread, the "censorship" in question was the removal of H-Content. It seemed like someone were confused with the use of the word "uncensored" when the game still has mosaics. Of course mosaic censorship … well it is censorship. But when the original version, uncut, is released like that, technically you can't really call that censored, as it wasn't intended to be released without the mosaics in the first place due to Japanese laws making them add those. Basically, the game is considered the "uncensored" version even though it has mosaics, as thats how it was originally released. Like CryingWestern pointed out above, it is required to censor H-Scenes with mosaics in Japanese visual novels, and so by that logic, that version is the original.

The one where the girl is in the wheelchair and they build that plane (sorry) "If my heart had wings", or Kono oozora ni, tsubasa o hirogete As for recommendations, I´d say Clannad would probably fit your request. I haven't actually played it myself, but it seems to be one of the most popular romances, and its releasing with an official translation from Sekai Project at November 23rd, so in just a few days. I´d also say Nekopara vol.1 might work. No real plot, just silly and cute romance in it, and its available on steam (can install restoration patch) or uncut version over @ Denpasoft.

Whoa! You should play the bad endings. No need to re-play it, just go back to the last choice and choose the other option. The bad endings are rather short, and worth it. Amane´s route actually has plot that you dont get to see unless you play the bad ending. Yumiko´s has a … rather special case as well for the "bad" ending. Sachi, Michiru and Makina will just leave you emotionally damaged though. No real need to play those unless you want to be emotionally damaged I guess.

This is not it being censored, this is Japanese laws. Completely different. Censored in this case means the H-Scenes are literally not there. They are removed. If we are going by the literal definition of the word, content being removed from the game in order to not show a part of it to a certain audience is censorship. And so, it is censored. The mosaics however, are usually, (not all the time), added to H-Scenes due to Japanese laws when releasing H-content. And seeing as that then means its the original version of the game, nothing has in fact been censored.